24 hours a day?
how about for once listen to your playerbase and get rid of that shit?
i dont want to play support. im a good top laner and a jungler.
i will NOT support.
no i will not.
ill keep dodging until you get your head out of your ass and listen to the players paying you once in your fucking life.
idc about longer queues.
its WORTH IT. i play for fun and to win not to play a role im not comfortable on and to lose.
EXE FallenKnight7 votesI find people with your attitude towards autofill to be pretty much cancer. It really isnt that hard to play an off role if you just pick 1 champion (not top S-Tier highly contested champion) for each or multiple roles. Or even 2 champs for each or multiple roles. I will give you kudos for being the bigger man (figure of speach) and dodging rather than trolling your team into a loss the entire 20-30 minute game. I main adc but all I have to do is play poppy/garen top annie mid and janna/soraka sup and just DO MY JOB that is required by the role to help my team win. I would understand someones hate if they were autofilling into the season 6 jungler role because that shit was stingy and hard as fuck, but even the jungle in this new season is easy as hell. It may be true you can one trick, one lane and get to diamond but you will never truly learn the game and be a great League player/teammate until you can broaden your horizons. The only truly bad thing about autofill is the cancerous trolls who treat autofill as a reason to troll and int and grief the shit out of everyone elses game.
18 NAKED COWB0YS7 votesyou misunderstand.
i dont think the roles are hard.
i can play every single role in the game at an average level. top/jungle however? my best carry roles.
i dont want to play a role i dont enjoy and then when someone on my team is awful i cant carry as hard as i could from my main roles.
what are you talking about being "perfect" by maining every role.
Cheesecakecrush4 votesAll he said he was going to do was dodge every time he got autofilled. That said, Autofill is far greater cancer than his attitude toward it. The amount of dodges I face skyrocketed leading to MUCH longer times just getting a match started, leading to greater toxicity IN the matches because of the incredible wait and one person basically forced to support when they don't want to. Dynamic queue was basically only bad for the top 5% of players so the rest of us have to suffer so that some youtubers and streamers can have a slightly better time? Fuck that.
EXE FallenKnight5 votesIm not saying you have to be perfect by any means and I would never even joke about me being perfect at this game myself, in fact I would say the opposite, dont try and be perfect just try to not be a negative impact both statistically and morale wise to your team, if you are playing ranked (Which is an assumption as you do not state that is what you are talking about so feel free to correct me) then you need to prioritize doing what you need to in order for your team to win.
Take Chris Bosh from the Miami Heat in the NBA, He went from Toronto where he was the key piece of the offence and the go-to scorer in most cases for that team, to Miami where he needed to take a "supportive role" where he had to prioritize being defensive and playing more for rebounds and the glory-less hustle/effort stats. Rather than the big name, popular, "important" offensive scoring priority that he was before. Because he put the needs of the team, and prioritized what they needed to do in order to secure victories over trying to be the one to "carry" the games he ended up being a pivotal part of a multiple championship winning team. Do you think if he told his coach "if you keep making me rebound instead of giving me the ball and letting me score I am going to sit out this game, and I will keep sitting out until you give me what I want" that the heat would have won any of those championships? Or that he would have been on the team anymore if they did?
What I am saying is you dont need to try and be the carry in 100% of your games, and sometimes you need to just accept that this particular game isnt the game you get to play the exact role or champion you want. Regardless if you are playing solo queue or playing with people you know it is always a team game, and a negative attitude like the one you have towards the autofill system completely disconnects you from that team mindset and impacts the game very negatively.
All I am saying is from the ranked perspective you should try to be more open and focus more on what you can do to make sure your team is the one that wins, not whether or not you are the one "carrying them to victory". You arent going to win every game, and the ones you lose arent always going to be your fault, but being able to look at a defeat and say "I did what I needed to do for my team, even in an off role I dont enjoy and I am not as practiced on" will help drastically and make those off roles, less fun-draining. The negative affinity you have towards the autofill system is the thing hurting you and your chances of winning games, not being autofilled itself. Your negativity and overall anger is just pointed in the wrong direction is all.
But again like I said before, Thank you for "taking one for the team" and dodging the games you get autofilled rather than actively trolling your team and ruining the game for everyone. For that I salute you
One last thought: In regards to dodges you also have to take into account the amount of dodges coming from the use of the beta client, I know I myself have experienced several dodges due to a bug in the client that would not allow me to exit the masteries page, or where the champions would not show up so I could not ban or pick my champion and was kicked out of the lobby because I "dodged" :P
Good luck in your games, I hope you can find an alternative mentality and that it leads you to many successful victories.
Kenzoku2 votesThis is silly as hell. So you are going to force someone who never touches that role to play it and get destroyed in lane by someone that mains that role? Or force them to play a role that they find extremely tedious? I can see why half my matches I get in my chat are spammed with report the adc or supp for trolling or toxicity. Make people deal with the que times or find some strong incentives to make people want to play support or adc, but forcing someone to do a role doesn't help anyone.
At least this person is being a "team player" by not contributing to a loss by not putting people through a match where adc or jungle gets super fed. You don't need to carry 100% of the games, but you sure as hell don't need to be a major factor in the loss that could have been a win. If the person isn't going to put in dozens of matches to improve in that role because they like other lanes then why force 4 other players to give up lp? Auto fill is the definition for freelo.
EXE FallenKnight1 votesThis is silly as hell. So you are going to force someone who never touches that role to play it and get destroyed in lane by someone that mains that role? Or force them to play a role that they find extremely tedious? I can see why half my matches I get in my chat are spammed with report the adc or supp for trolling or toxicity. Make people deal with the que times or find some strong incentives to make people want to play support or adc, but forcing someone to do a role doesn't help anyone.
At least this person is being a "team player" by not contributing to a loss by not putting people through a match where adc or jungle gets super fed. You don't need to carry 100% of the games, but you sure as hell don't need to be a major factor in the loss that could have been a win. If the person isn't going to put in dozens of matches to improve in that role because they like other lanes then why force 4 other players to give up lp? Auto fill is the definition for freelo.
Thats just the thing lol it is so easy to play an off role and just play it safely (dont feed over and over) even if you fall behind or die once (twice even) without spending hours and hours of practicing that role. You got adc? play sivir and just sfk farm until teamfights where you press R and watch your team win for you. You got support? Play janna/soraka and just stand behind your adc and shield/heal them and use exhaust to peel assassins and watch your team win for you. Got mid play annie or oriana and just clear waves all game while staying in a safe position and then use your aoe ult to peel or wipe the enemy team. Got jungle? Play zac or rek sai and just get tanky as hell while farming then peel for your carries in fights. Got top? play basically any tank champion ever and hit minions until you get so absurdly tanky that even fountain cant kill you. And in any role you get make sure to WARD WARD WARD. it really isnt that hard and just because someone gets autofill does not mean its instant loss if they use their damn brain. If you cant go into Queue with the mindset of "Im going to do whatever it takes to make my team win" then you should not play ranked, and dont deserve to win games, period. People act so entitled and have become so selfish and toxic ever since teambuilder debuted. Its sickening.
1011001110002 votesYour own basketball analogy fails you.
Chris Bosh has always played Power Forward/Center. In both positions Chris Bosh can take the opportunity to play a strong offensive game, but the position is also critical defensively. Besides, he went from Toronto to Miami, literally a team packed full of money and talent, with fantastic PGs and SGs, meaning Bosh also didn't HAVE to play offensively, because other teammates, who were as skilled (or better), were in better positions to play offensively, so Bosh's effectiveness then became defensive prowess instead, which is what Miami demanded from him.
It's not like you took Chris Bosh, a dedicated Power Forward, and then told him to play Point Guard. No one in their right mind would tell Bosh to Point Guard.
This is what auto-fill does. It takes players who excel at certain positions, tells them "no, go over here", and pretends like everything's going to be okay. News flash: It's not. Players dedicated to their given roles are outright superior to autofilled players, and the disparity in skill level gets very apparent. Auto-fill made sense in high elo where queue times ran over an hour because of its small player pool, and since the players up there are much more familiar with each other, they can be more accommodating. But in the shit-tier flatlands of bronze, silver, and gold, there are so many people in any given role that there's no reason to believe these queue times will ever go over 10 minutes, even without autofill.
Not everyone in Ranked is blessed with the god-given skill of natural video gaming prowess and flexibility. There are people who like and excel at doing certain things, and telling them to do otherwise is detrimental to match quality and game experience.
That and it's already been fairly well documented that the current system of auto-fill isn't even working properly, consider it double-fills people on the same team into each others' roles.
Old auto-fill for 30 minute and over queues was fine because it made sense. Auto-fill forever makes no sense.
EXE FallenKnight2 votesYour own basketball analogy fails you.
Chris Bosh has always played Power Forward/Center. In both positions Chris Bosh can take the opportunity to play a strong offensive game, but the position is also critical defensively. Besides, he went from Toronto to Miami, literally a team packed full of money and talent, with fantastic PGs and SGs, meaning Bosh also didn't HAVE to play offensively, because other teammates, who were as skilled (or better), were in better positions to play offensively, so Bosh's effectiveness then became defensive prowess instead, which is what Miami demanded from him.
It's not like you took Chris Bosh, a dedicated Power Forward, and then told him to play Point Guard. No one in their right mind would tell Bosh to Point Guard.
This is what auto-fill does. It takes players who excel at certain positions, tells them "no, go over here", and pretends like everything's going to be okay. News flash: It's not. Players dedicated to their given roles are outright superior to autofilled players, and the disparity in skill level gets very apparent. Auto-fill made sense in high elo where queue times ran over an hour because of its small player pool, and since the players up there are much more familiar with each other, they can be more accommodating. But in the shit-tier flatlands of bronze, silver, and gold, there are so many people in any given role that there's no reason to believe these queue times will ever go over 10 minutes, even without autofill.
Not everyone in Ranked is blessed with the god-given skill of natural video gaming prowess and flexibility. There are people who like and excel at doing certain things, and telling them to do otherwise is detrimental to match quality and game experience.
That and it's already been fairly well documented that the current system of auto-fill isn't even working properly, consider it double-fills people on the same team into each others' roles.
Old auto-fill for 30 minute and over queues was fine because it made sense. Auto-fill forever makes no sense.
Yeah my analogy isnt 100% perfect I will agree but you are nitpicking it and missing the overall point.
The reason you wouldnt ask Chris Bosh to play pointguard is because it has much different physical demands/requirements. Just like you Couldnt ask Allen Iverson to play center because he would be inefficient from a physical stand point. But you CAN ask Chris Bosh to work on his long range jump shot and his ball handling both skills that arent necessarily required of an NBA big man on an average basis. There are no major physical requirement changes between roles for playing league (you arent a 6 foot 2 guy trying to jump higher than someone who is 7 feet tall, or someone 6 foot 8 trying to be more agile and dribble a ball around someone who has a lower center of gravity and overall more nimble frame) The only difference between playing Support and playing Top lane in league is mentality and slightly different physical habits (supports typically have more active items). So yeah playing support may not be what you normally do, but is it really asking too much for you as a player (in this example an NBA big man) who is normally adept at rebounding and playing in the post (or playing in top lane for comparison) to practicing your off ball movement and your 3 point shooting, skills typically associated with shooting guards or pointguards (playing support in league) Yeah you would normally never ask an NBA power/small forward to be your ball handler because at that level it wouldnt make sense (Just like you wouldnt ask Faker or Bjergson to play jungle in an lcs match but you better believe if they got the role in solo queue they would be able to do it well enough at a basic level to hold their own, even against other Challenger skill junglers) but you see that sort of thing in lower levels of the sport such as in high school (bronze-Gold), because if the player is good they know how to play virtually all aspects of the game at least at a basic enough level to not cost the team the game.
You dont have to excel at the role you are given, you just have to hold your own and do the job required of the role. The problem with autofill is, to put it simply, the attitude of entitlement and selfishness that has taken hold of people who play this game.
Ranked is a queue for people to pit themselves against other players to prove how good of a player they are at League of Legends and earn a Regional ranking. Not how good they are at Top, not how good they are at Jungle, but at the game of League of Legends. If you dont feel like getting better at the whole game and you only want to play your one role and are incapable of being flexible and skilled enough to be able to fill when it is required of you then fine, more power to you. But dont play ranked. Go play normals, and then when you get autofill in normals THEN you can bitch and say "this sucks, I hate this, its stupid, I just wanna have fun playing my role"
1011001110001 votesExcept each role IS VASTLY DIFFERENT. Each role has its intricacies in not only build paths and champion pools, but in match-up knowledge, relevant objective control tendencies, overall playstyle, and different methods of laning pressure.
Asking Chris Bosh to practice his long range jump shot (the funnier one would be telling Shaq to practice his fuckin' free throws) isn't telling him to practice a completely different part of the game. Everyone in basketball should be capable of making a variety of offensive plays. That's the equivalent of being able to play a variety of different champion in League based on what you need to do. There are different champions with different ways of engaging and applying damage, or soaking damage and neutralization, that mean a champion who mains a role has to learn how to play a variety of both offensive and defensive picks that can provide unique situational advantages.
You never ask your Power Forwards to practice 3-point shooting because they should never be in the position to even have to make that shot as a remotely regular occurrence. Most probably wouldn't even try to shoot one as a joke in the middle of a game. And even then, it's preposterous to equivocate having a Power Forward shoot 3-pointers to making them play an entirely different position like you suggest we do in League constantly.
And no, no challenger level mid-laner could possibly hold their own in the jungle against other challenger level junglers unless they secondary jungle. They get shat on by challenger level junglers precisely because that jungler is THAT good at being a fuckin' jungler. You don't get to challenger by being so good at everything that you can stand at equal footing with every challenger player in other roles. Challengers outside of their mains roles are excessively inferior to Challengers in main roles. They might know how to jungle to a fundamental degree, but knowing only fundamentals is NOT how you get to that high tier of play.
And the reason you see players that CAN pull off almost everything in high school basketball is because the disparity is skill is much more apparent. High school basketball doesn't discriminate and make teams based on skill level, so the equivalent of a high school basketball prodigy will end up playing against good players and shit players alike. The NBA is effectively the pinnacle of competitive basketball in the United States, whereas high school basketball is just a myriad of different skill levels being shoved into the same team and playing against random assortments of other teams. Perpetual placement matches. It's not like some "Gold-level" hs basketball player is only going to play against, or even with, others of that skill level. He will play against the relative bronze-level scrubs because hs basketball doesn't actively discriminate and tell two teams that they can't play each other due to skill disparity. This means that even if he's the best Point Guard on his team, he just happens to be so good he can beat a more dedicate Power Forward in the same role because the Power Forward just happens to be inferior overall to him in every way.
League on the other hand, discriminates skills. League assorts random people of relatively equal skill levels only (or at least tries to) to play against each other. Someone in an off-role will simply always be worse.
The point of Ranked is to figure out how good players are. You don't figure out how good a person is at a game by making them play their worst. If we make everyone never get their main role forever, but rather a random assortment of all 4 other roles that they never play, and without consistency, the quality of play-making would be so bad that people would actively stop playing. If you don't queue up for a role, it's pretty fuckin obvious you're bad at it. You don't need to get forced into it just to have other people find out "Shit, he does suck at jungling, he should probably stay mid."
You put people at their best against people at their best, not the other way around. You are not competitive if you're not doing your absolute best. People play this game forever and begin maining a role PRECISELY because they feel like that's what they're best doing and best contributes to each team they play with.
Basketball players are measured and judged based on their performance in their given position. You don't judge a Center by the quality of their ability to play every part of basketball. You judge them by their ability to be Center, because that's what they do. In that similar vein, you won't judge a Carry main for his ability to play tanks. You judge him for his ability to play Carries. He of course KNOWS how to play every other part of League to SOME degree, but this is what he does BEST, and if you plan on using basketball as the backbone for your argument, then judging your ADC main's performance should be done the same way you'd treat your Point Guard's performance - based on how well they play THAT position, not how they play everything in the bloody game.
EXE FallenKnight2 votesExcept each role IS VASTLY DIFFERENT. Each role has its intricacies in not only build paths and champion pools, but in match-up knowledge, relevant objective control tendencies, overall playstyle, and different methods of laning pressure.
Asking Chris Bosh to practice his long range jump shot (the funnier one would be telling Shaq to practice his fuckin' free throws) isn't telling him to practice a completely different part of the game. Everyone in basketball should be capable of making a variety of offensive plays. That's the equivalent of being able to play a variety of different champion in League based on what you need to do. There are different champions with different ways of engaging and applying damage, or soaking damage and neutralization, that mean a champion who mains a role has to learn how to play a variety of both offensive and defensive picks that can provide unique situational advantages.
You never ask your Power Forwards to practice 3-point shooting because they should never be in the position to even have to make that shot as a remotely regular occurrence. Most probably wouldn't even try to shoot one as a joke in the middle of a game. And even then, it's preposterous to equivocate having a Power Forward shoot 3-pointers to making them play an entirely different position like you suggest we do in League constantly.
And no, no challenger level mid-laner could possibly hold their own in the jungle against other challenger level junglers unless they secondary jungle. They get shat on by challenger level junglers precisely because that jungler is THAT good at being a fuckin' jungler. You don't get to challenger by being so good at everything that you can stand at equal footing with every challenger player in other roles. Challengers outside of their mains roles are excessively inferior to Challengers in main roles. They might know how to jungle to a fundamental degree, but knowing only fundamentals is NOT how you get to that high tier of play.
And the reason you see players that CAN pull off almost everything in high school basketball is because the disparity is skill is much more apparent. High school basketball doesn't discriminate and make teams based on skill level, so the equivalent of a high school basketball prodigy will end up playing against good players and shit players alike. The NBA is effectively the pinnacle of competitive basketball in the United States, whereas high school basketball is just a myriad of different skill levels being shoved into the same team and playing against random assortments of other teams. Perpetual placement matches. It's not like some "Gold-level" hs basketball player is only going to play against, or even with, others of that skill level. He will play against the relative bronze-level scrubs because hs basketball doesn't actively discriminate and tell two teams that they can't play each other due to skill disparity. This means that even if he's the best Point Guard on his team, he just happens to be so good he can beat a more dedicate Power Forward in the same role because the Power Forward just happens to be inferior overall to him in every way.
League on the other hand, discriminates skills. League assorts random people of relatively equal skill levels only (or at least tries to) to play against each other. Someone in an off-role will simply always be worse.
The point of Ranked is to figure out how good players are. You don't figure out how good a person is at a game by making them play their worst. If we make everyone never get their main role forever, but rather a random assortment of all 4 other roles that they never play, and without consistency, the quality of play-making would be so bad that people would actively stop playing. If you don't queue up for a role, it's pretty fuckin obvious you're bad at it. You don't need to get forced into it just to have other people find out "Shit, he does suck at jungling, he should probably stay mid."
You put people at their best against people at their best, not the other way around. You are not competitive if you're not doing your absolute best. People play this game forever and begin maining a role PRECISELY because they feel like that's what they're best doing and best contributes to each team they play with.
Basketball players are measured and judged based on their performance in their given position. You don't judge a Center by the quality of their ability to play every part of basketball. You judge them by their ability to be Center, because that's what they do. In that similar vein, you won't judge a Carry main for his ability to play tanks. You judge him for his ability to play Carries. He of course KNOWS how to play every other part of League to SOME degree, but this is what he does BEST, and if you plan on using basketball as the backbone for your argument, then judging your ADC main's performance should be done the same way you'd treat your Point Guard's performance - based on how well they play THAT position, not how they play everything in the bloody game.
Again you are nitpicking. In reality the roles are not VASTLY different from each other they have little differences and "intricacies" that at the absolute highest level of play are absolutely game changing, but anywhere other than the best players mean very little. "The point of Ranked is to figure out how good players are." Your exact words, and they are exactly true, ranked is to figure out how good players are, at THE GAME LEAGUE OF LEGENDS, as a whole, not 1/5 of the game. If you arent good at a role, learn it. If you arent willing to learn something that would make you a better player, then why are you playing ranked? If you flat out dont care about getting better, why bitch about how unfair you think it is? You are the one who is making it unfair on yourself by playing a game mode that requires you to be the best player you can be, and be an all around player, without actually striving to be the best player you can be, and be an all around player. No one expects you to be perfect in every role but to whine and cry that it isnt fair that you are held up to the same expectations as every other player that queues up for ranked, is stupid.
And no, basketball players are judged by what they bring to a team. It is compared to players in their role normally, but players that can do things that is "outside their position" are valued and typically ranked higher than those of the position that cant. Its true I wouldnt rank a Carry main lower because he cant play tanks, but I will rank him higher if he can, much like I would rank a tank player higher if he could play carries. due to their diversity and the fact that being able to play more roles/classes of champions means you are more likely to have a higher understanding of the game as well as being more flexible and diverse mechanically.
1011001110002 votesThis is just an argument for generalists v. specialists. We're not going to get anywhere.
Your arguments make sense, I just don't think it's the value system League should be striving for. It diminishes the value of specialization and denies potential competitiveness, at least in my eyes.
BasedNerd2 votesOn one hand, I understand, it is annoying playing roles you don't like. On the other, it's support. And once you play that one game, you're good for a good 5+ games. Just bite the bullet.
RocketRelm2 votesI think the problem (and reason people are fed up a lot), is because there's a bug involved that makes it so if you queue up, and somebody dodges before game, you use up one of those "auto-fill-protected" games.
So that autofill protection doesn't go nearly as far as it sounds like it should.
420 Stylish2 votesSame. I can't stand playing bot lane, ADC or support, and I will dodge if I get either of those. I don't mind the penalty I get, I'd rather wait then have to play bottom.
NoDaddyItHurts2 votesYou can talk to your team mates, negotiate roles etc.
And this system is 100 times better than the old one. If auto fill was active you were guaranteed to never get your role pretty much.
Now you have a slight chance to not get it, but it is active at all times.
I prefer having a higher chance to actually do get the role I want if that gets rid of the times that I won't get them.
Sckullzz2 votesSuch a positive attitude lol
Wînter Fox2 votesWere all you people in a coma S1 - S6.5? Or are all of you new accounts? Hint: Soraka is only 450IP
1011001110002 votesThat doesn't mean he's going to magically become good at support or enjoy playing the role. People have preferred roles because they like having different roles and responsibilities.
Let the people who like to play a role play that role. It increases match quality.
We don't need this shit where people who literally want nothing to do with sightstone end up being forced to do it, giving us shitty games. I mean for fuck's sakes, it's Silver and Gold. We're not Challenger players. There are enough goddamn players that the queues won't last for half an hour.
Wînter Fox1 votesI would love a fantasy land where we all get low queue times and everyone gets whatever role they want all the time. However in reality most people don't want to play Support, and most people want to solo lane. It's a necessary evil because of that disparity. I'm one of those solo laners, I still think people including myself should suck it up and play Support (properly, with Sightstone) once in a while - they'll learn to position, ward shit, assist the team, focus on objectives, not selfishly look for kills, and watch the map. It'll make everyone a better League player overall in the long run.
I for one would rather have the Silvers and Bronzies learning Support than having to hear "you stole mah kill I'm dah ADC eff you /ff"
1011001110001 votesThere's a difference between learning that a position has different demands, making people appreciate the role for what it is and reducing misunderstandings in the future, but that still doesn't make you better than the enemies' support, especially in a Ranked game.
I'm from the school of thought that team games like League, which have specific positions with different responsibilities, is best played when each individual can maximize their potential by playing the 1/2 role(s) they excel at. Especially in a game like League of Legends, where your laning match-ups and item builds are liable to change every two weeks, you'll be a lot worse off trying to play support having a bare fundamental understanding of the role than the person on the other side who understands more of the necessary nuances of winning a lane.
I didn't mind auto-fill when queue times got excessively long, because fuck me if I sat down for 30 minutes to play a 20 minute game, but if I have a choice between waiting 3 extra minutes to get a DEDICATED support player instead of this off-shoot auto-fill "meh, I kinda get it" support, I'd gladly take the former.
Learning how other roles are important to your team winning should not be the reason we have autofill. It's probably not even the intended reason for autofill. Just as it shouldn't, especially not in ranked.
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18 NAKED COWB0YS4 votesnever said it would affect them. just said no one is going to get into a game if this shit continues.
DemoGuide1 votesI dont really mind autofill as long as i can BAN ONE FREAKING ROLE RITO! WHERE IS THIS FUNCTION YOU PROMICED?
EXE FallenKnight1 votesI dont really mind autofill as long as i can BAN ONE FREAKING ROLE RITO! WHERE IS THIS FUNCTION YOU PROMICED?
The problem with this is when they tested that function the vast majority of people were banning support as the role they didnt want to play. It is a role that not even 20% of the overall player base wants to play. Evidence of this can be seen in the OP. They did give it a try and tested it out, it is a nice function on paper but in reality it simply does not work.
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24 hours a day?
how about for once listen to your playerbase and get rid of that shit?
i dont want to play support. im a good top laner and a jungler.
i will NOT support.
no i will not.
ill keep dodging until you get your head out of your ass and listen to the players paying you once in your fucking life.
idc about longer queues.
its WORTH IT. i play for fun and to win not to play a role im not comfortable on and to lose.
What do you mean you're not comfortable in every role? I think auto fill is a nice change of pace when you spam your main roles. I like sudden surprises, be it support or whatever (mostly it's support but I don't care since I can play every role).
18 NAKED COWB0YS2 votesI don't like surprises when I'm playing vs ex LCS players on their main roles as well as d1 players
Profirix1 votesAutofill just seems like a piecemeal solution to a much larger problem that one or more of the roles are undesirable. Maybe something needs to be done then to encourage players to want to fill said role. Originally I thought autofill was just a solution to a waning player-base, but then I realized that the problem with role selection is scalar: people want to feel like they are making an impact, and as a support it is very difficult to 'feel' impactful.
I feel for RIot though, because I understand that they can't just 'buff support champions' because most supports either rely on utility or high base damage values to function. If they buff it too much, you end up with support champions being abused elsewhere.
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Autofill just seems like a piecemeal solution to a much larger problem that one or more of the roles are undesirable. Maybe something needs to be done then to encourage players to want to fill said role. Originally I thought autofill was just a solution to a waning player-base, but then I realized that the problem with role selection is scalar: people want to feel like they are making an impact, and as a support it is very difficult to 'feel' impactful.
I feel for RIot though, because I understand that they can't just 'buff support champions' because most supports either rely on utility or high base damage values to function. If they buff it too much, you end up with support champions being abused elsewhere.
Making the support role more desirable to the average player would require removing the role altogether. The role is one of the most important and Must have roles for the overall health of a team composition, and in my opinion has one of the largest impacts in the game, especially with the new locket, redemption, knights vow, zekes herald, all the support starting items, etc. It is a really game changing role, but it isnt a damage role, it isnt a "Im so stupid tanky Im unkillable AND can still murder the enemy carry" role. It is a low income, utility, put the good of my teammates before myself role and no one wants to be that player. Logically speaking there HAS to be a support role. There are not enough resources on the map for there not to be.
The sad part is the support role has like 500% more impact than it did in season 3 and before. The role has a much more means of income, it has SO MANY items created specifically to give supports more power and versatility but from a non competitive, or even a solo queue view point the role is "no fun"
Profirix1 votesI am for all intents and purposes a support main. I am well aware of the intricacies of supporting and how much impact they can make. But in a predominantly independent country that promotes independence and supports a self-sufficient ideology, it is understandable why support is not appealing. A support will never be able to 'carry' a game so-to-speak when the meta strictly enforces supports with high utility, but low damage. It also explains why NA and EU can never win worlds, because the team dynamic on the Korean teams is focused so heavily on the team as a whole. The only reason Faker is used as a figurehead is because NA and EU have labeled him as such. I bet you he sees it entirely differently.