Garen's update seems cool, but he got too much unnecessary nerfs.

LoL aint life··4 votes·926 views

Base stats

HP per level reduced to 84.25 from 96.

What the actual fuck? You do realize it fucking means a 200 HP loss at lvl 18?

He can even trade correctly early game anymore, since anyone like Riven or Renekton can just shred him even before he gets to deal damage to them... Riot basically killed his laning with this one change.

Perseverance

HP regen at level 16 reduced to 1.6% of his maximum health from 2%.

... Really?

His passive is already completely useless during a teamfight. This change hurts his splitpushing more than anything to be honest. This change feels very unnecessary and is just killing his late game even more. Now, we got an early game nerf and a late game nerf, what now?

Decisive Strike

Silence duration reduced to 1.5 seconds at all ranks from 1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5 seconds.

... Really? The core part of his kit has been nerfed into oblivion despite you guys reassuring us about how you won't nerf Garen's silence. He already fucking needs to get in melee range to use it and since he already lost the Tenacity on his W AND he now gets the self-slow on his E when he attacks CHAMPIONS, he'll be impossible to play in teamfights, as he won't ever be able to stick to anyone.

Courage

Bonus Armor and Magic Resist passive removed.

Now permanently gets 0.2 Armor and Magic Resist when striking down an unit, increasing to 1 to champions, large and epic monsters.

Tenacity removed.

REALLY????? THIS IS BASICALLY DELETING THE ABILITY!!!!!

This is fucking bullshit. He loses a lot of late game tankiness, which was one of his core strengths, in exchange for this minimal and bullshit Armor and Magic Resist steroid. Plus, he even loses the Tenacity boost, basically making him even more kiteable than before. Plus, Courage already used to work like this, until you reworked it into the current passive, which is 100 times better. Now, you're basically removing Garen from the game.

Judgement

Now Garen gets slowed by 20% when striking champions with Judgement instead of minions.

... Silence nerf, Tenacity nerf and now, he gets slowed when striking enemy champions with his E. Well done Riot, now, Garen can't reach anything, because everyone in the game now counter Garen. This is just plain stupid from you Riot.

TL;DR The current changes are trash and they're basically a free ticket to the dumpster to Garen. Don't fucking go through with these changes OR GIVE HIM EXTREMLY HIGH COMPENSATION FOR IT.

7 Comments

SuperJediNinja2 votes

This is the rework that I really dislike the most. Nothing is final since its on the PBE tho

TraakSC1 votes

Thank god you created a discussion on the upcoming Garen changes. The other 30 today didn't suffice. Having 60 different discussions open with 1-2 replies each will make it easier for the community and developers to communicate.

76Summers1 votes

I'm really upset at these changes too.. at least make him playable not this gutting of a rework.. but fuck it I have to play gnar everytime I go top now..fucking riot...

sp4411 votes

"Oh but he deals true damage to the guy who already scored a Quadra on your team!"

Yeah, and all that he traded for it was the ability to fucking get to them. Or to stick to them long enough to kill them.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

Guys Riot finally got it right!!

They say "Hmm what can we make so garen can be useless for ever? i mean the 99% of the champion pool counter him after 20 so i guess we need that 1% to counter him too"

Random ape on riot: "Guys i have i got the 1% that dosent counter garen is garen so now we would make Garen to counter his self"

Balance game leader: "How man?"

Random Ape: "Well his E his primary damage would slow him by 20% so now he want be able to use it to nobody unless he have 1k MS and the enemy dosent have boots"

Balance game leader: "Give this APE a promotion this is genius"

Erijian1 votes

Well, I mean they only nerfed his healing, his damage, his late game bulk, made him MORE kitable, gutted his laning, nerfed his silence, crit scaling on his Judgment (no more youmuu's rush), made it so he now slows himself with his spin on champions instead of going through units, and nerfed his late game hp.

All in return for him having slightly higher base stats (except hp), slightly higher spin damage late game (maybe), and some EXTREMELY situational true damage?

At this point it's just obvious that Riot has no idea what to do with Garen.

Lugg1 votes

The nerf to the health scaling was minimal. You are way over-reacting to that.

His passive DEFINITELY needed nerfing. All he had to do was not get hit for 10 seconds and he was basically back to full health.

I agree with you on the silence. That was a MEGA nerf.

Courage I'm not sure on. He gets a PERMANENT increase in armor and MR. So this seems kind of even. Garen actually did need to lose some of his late game tankiness to be honest. He is a fighter, not a tank, and he was harder to kill than some of the actual tanks in the game.

I always thought the slow on Judgement was stupid, so I agree with you there. He is melee, let him actually be able to stay on people. There are PLENTY of slows in the game already to counter that.

His new true damage buffs are really nice. It will be interesting to see how things pan out, but if I was to bet on it, Garen will be getting buffed in the near future.

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