"We want to keep %true damage a rare and unique mechanic"
Fiora and Garen got it in not even one month rofl.
"We don't want to nerf Garen's silence"
Silence duration nerfed.
"We want Mordekaiser to replace other ADCs"
Nerfs all tank items and literally guts Solo Mordekaiser.
You are literally fucking liars Riot.
DreamLeviathan53 votesDidn't they only say they weren't going to REMOVE Garen's silence?
Jeddy0175 votesYeah,that what they said. They said nothing about nerfing it,so it doesn't count as them lying.
LoL aint life9 votesIt's basically removing it when it doesn't even last more than 2 seconds and is one usuable in melee range.
Meanwhile, Cho'Gath can keep his AoE 2.5 seconds undodgeable silence.
RoyaiChaos5 votesCho's silence is dodge-able, just stay away from him. Unlike Garen who is extreemly difficult to run away from. Furthermore, even if Cho silences you, you still have chance to flee without using spells while if Garen silences you, you're pretty much dead if you're a squishy mage or something who relies on a spell to escape becuase of the constant damage he does while near you.
JusticePauldrons24 votesI am sorry, what? Chogaths instant ranged aoe silence is easier to dodge than the one that requires a guy to melee you?
Troll for Trump2 votesCho'gath's cone is Bugged enough that it is easy to dodge* Spaghetti coding Op
Dextix LT6 votesYea it is bugged, because silence applies before the animation hits, because of that the silence is harder to dodge.
Hawkefire9 votesCho's silence actually isn't instant. There is a cast time to it, although it is a small one.
Oysteroth7 votesThis is wrong. If you were in range when he hit the key, it will hit you even if you move out of range or even go untargetable. I've heard he can smack Fizz off of his pole if he times it right.
Tilt Thru Time6 votesI play a bit of cho'gath mid and the hitbox on the silence is larger then it appears. There's been plenty of times when someone moves out of range only to still be silenced, knocked up, then eaten.
EvilRabbitt2 votesThis is wrong. If you were in range when he hit the key, it will hit you even if you move out of range or even go untargetable. I've heard he can smack Fizz off of his pole if he times it right.
Challenge accepted.
DJ Di050 votes[{quoted}](name=LoL aint life,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I5lBKfxk,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-08-05T00:14:32.139+0000)
"We want to keep %true damage a rare and unique mechanic"
Fiora and Garen got it in not even one month rofl.
Is Garen going to be pick or ban now with his R change? Not so sure about that.
"We don't want to nerf Garen's silence"
Silence duration nerfed.
No, they said that Garen will keep his silence after they were asked if it was going to be replaced in the same way Talon, Leblanc, and Kassadin lost theirs.
"We want Mordekaiser to replace other ADCs"
Nerfs all tank items and literally guts Solo Mordekaiser.
Even if Solo lane Mordekaiser is nerfed, making him an Anti-adc that's used in the botlane is an interesting way to change the stagnantness in that lane. Would you rather him be mediocore/bad in two lanes (Mid and Top) or actually viable in Bot lane? The way I see it it's kind of the same thing that they did with Karma, and she's a lot better now.
You are literally fucking liars Riot.
And you're on the Anti-Riot circlejerk.
Doctor Dyment10 votesThank you for posting this comment. Couldn't have said it better myself.
AutoreactiveCD44 votesThey clearly didn't have their story straight on the % health true damage thing, regardless of if he's pick or ban tier. Of course this doesn't mean they're lying because as humans these things may slip our mind.
Now onto the circlejerk...I'm in my own little one cause wow riot can't seem to make up their minds on certain things. The morde changes are just strange and I think it's going to change his identity, something they say they're against. The skarner changes...gimmicky and worthless, does nothing to help him honestly. Other PBE changes are dumb...I have to stop before I rant too much
TLDR: riot not liars. Losing faith in them though, hope to be wrong.
DJ Di08 votesThey clearly didn't have their story straight on the % health true damage thing, regardless of if he's pick or ban tier. Of course this doesn't mean they're lying because as humans these things may slip our mind.
Now onto the circlejerk...I'm in my own little one cause wow riot can't seem to make up their minds on certain things. The morde changes are just strange and I think it's going to change his identity, something they say they're against. The skarner changes...gimmicky and worthless, does nothing to help him honestly. Other PBE changes are dumb...I have to stop before I rant too much
TLDR: riot not liars. Losing faith in them though, hope to be wrong.
Oh, it's perfectly fine to not be okay with everything Riot does, that's very understandable.
I just don't like when people go overboard and insult Riot and Rioters in the process.
Boards want Riot to communicate more, but then most of the threads are like OP's that take it a bit far.
Chaotic Sage4 votesHey there, just wanted to thank you again for your post, because once didn't feel like enough.
Sorioku2 votes[{quoted}](name=DJ Di0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I5lBKfxk,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-08-05T00:29:29.523+0000)
Is Garen going to be pick or ban now with his R change? Not so sure about that.
No, they said that Garen will keep his silence after they were asked if it was going to be replaced in the same way Talon, Leblanc, and Kassadin lost theirs.
Even if Solo lane Mordekaiser is nerfed, making him an Anti-adc that's used in the botlane is an interesting way to change the stagnantness in that lane. Would you rather him be mediocore/bad in two lanes (Mid and Top) or actually viable in Bot lane? The way I see it it's kind of the same thing that they did with Karma, and she's a lot better now.
And you're on the Anti-Riot circlejerk.
Basically. Because nobody realizes there's a difference between lying and changing their mind.
That's like saying you're going to the movies one day, and 3 days later you deciding against it, does that make you a liar?
And we ALL know this guy's still gonna play the game, why even make a bitchy post.
3TWarrior1 votesumm, mediocre? mordekaiser counters pretty much everyone that isn't xerath, ziggs, (potentially jayce), and maybe irelia (so few so who knows)
then the ones he doesn't counter are a skill matchup: riven and darius and the extremely rare maokai or gragas tops
if the guy can go toe-to-toe with riven, what makes you think he is mediocre?
DJ Di01 votesumm, mediocre? mordekaiser counters pretty much everyone that isn't xerath, ziggs, (potentially jayce), and maybe irelia (so few so who knows)
then the ones he doesn't counter are a skill matchup: riven and darius and the extremely rare maokai or gragas tops
if the guy can go toe-to-toe with riven, what makes you think he is mediocre?
Renekton and (live-patch)Garen can also go toe-to-toe with Riven; they aren't amazing picks.
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=DJ Di0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I5lBKfxk,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-08-05T00:29:29.523+0000)
Is Garen going to be pick or ban now with his R change? Not so sure about that.
No, they said that Garen will keep his silence after they were asked if it was going to be replaced in the same way Talon, Leblanc, and Kassadin lost theirs.
Even if Solo lane Mordekaiser is nerfed, making him an Anti-adc that's used in the botlane is an interesting way to change the stagnantness in that lane. Would you rather him be mediocore/bad in two lanes (Mid and Top) or actually viable in Bot lane? The way I see it it's kind of the same thing that they did with Karma, and she's a lot better now.
And you're on the Anti-Riot circlejerk.
yes, because you want a Melee champion that has no way of actually getting to any ranged target be an "anti-ADC" or even be brought up against any sort of ranged character. Why even bothering to pick Morde who doesn't even have any CC at all? just pick something like Renek, Riven or some other melee champion in the bot lane that has some sort of cc and some form of actually getting to the enemy ADC. All ADCs have to do when paired against him is just farm and poke him while being mindful of where the enemy support is since morde cannot do anything but hope he can get some cs
Jeddy01712 votesAbout the whole %hp true damage thing. Well,Garen is the 3rd champ to get it........in a game with 120+ champs.I say it's still pretty rare & unique mechanic.And with Garen,it's only on the person who got the most recent kill.
Packerfan5041 votes
Edit: was not confirming nor denying the previous statement, just listing everyone I knew that had true damage in any form useable against champions.
Jesus Canaj 4207 votesThat's 7 champions with it. There are 126 champions in the game. That's 5.5% of champions having the damage.
If 5.5% isn't rare, i don't know how to feel about your definition of words anymore.
cheezzyy1 votesno thats 1 on that list. only vayne there has %hp true damage. the rest are all flat or stat scaling, aside from tahm who doesnt even have true damage. as of this pbe patch the only %max hp true damage are vayne and fiora, while garen has %missing hp true damage which is also limited as to who can get hit by it.
Bârd1 votesWhen fighting the "Villain", his basic attacks and Spin deal an additional 1% their maximum health as true damage.
cheezzyy1 votesright dont know why i forgot that while writing that post. still limited as to who can take it tho.
Bârd1 votesYeah. The new Garen just sucks. "Lets nerf Passive, Q, W, and E, so that we can make his ultimate situationally more powerful"
cheezzyy1 voteseven without the villain his E does more damage now if he can stick to the target. The self slow is retarded but if they remove that the spell becomes incradible. The W is a minor nerf to resists, and then forces him to actually buy merc treads like every other bruiser/tank who wants tenacity. The Q silence nerf is honestly long awaited because it was insane. Many champs simply could not fight until the silence ended, disabling anything that isnt pure autos for so long was ridiculous(cho is irritating for the same reason). I believe that Garen will be in a slightly better place now, though we need to wait for it to hit live to be sure.
Bârd1 votesThe silence is fine as is. He is a low mobility champ who needs to get in melee range to proc it. The W is not a Minor change. The ability has been gutted.
ChaoticPinecone4 votesIts a lot rarer, unique, and special when it was only vayne.
Joquan1 votesAnd this is a problem with the game how? Omg Olaf constant true damage op! GG
ChaoticPinecone1 voteshey bud, maybe you shouldnt respond unless you know what youre talking about - does Olaf do % max health true damage? No, he doesnt.
Up until today, one champion did % max health true damage - Vayne. If you didnt want to deal with it, you just ban her. Today, Fiora's rework came through. And now Garen is scheduled to have it.
Joquan1 votes3/126 champions is still rare, big deal.
ChaoticPinecone1 votesIts no longer unique. Its no longer Vayne's defining damage-dealing trait.
And that seems to be at odds with the concept that "We want to keep %true damage a rare and unique mechanic" which was stated in the original post.
Jesus Canaj 4201 votesWell that argument is weak imo, because you could have that argument about literally anything. "Post-death passives would be more unique and rare if it was only karthus!" "% health damage would be more unique and rare if only tahm had it!". Obviously 1/126 is more unique than 7/126, but if 7/126 is still fine then w/e.
ChaoticPinecone1 votesI guess we have differing opinions. For me, each champion should feel unique.
Like Karthus - he has the post death passive that allows him to cast his normal spells after dying. No other champion does that. For 4 years, Vayne was the only champion in the game with % max health true damage. Then the fiora rework came though. Now Garen as well.
ProfDrDeath2 votesThe thing is, true damage or even %-HP true damage in themselves are nothing that warrant particular uniqueness. Flat true damage is a mechanic that ignores resistances and makes building health stronger against its user, while %-true damage is a mechanic that makes damage target-agnostic - that part of your damage will kill everything equally fast, no matter what it is.
The implementation is where the big differences lie:
: Reward for hitting people with the returning Q.
: Big targeted nuke, but short-ranged and on a longer CD.
: Part of an executing, resetting nuke.
: The target-agnostic aspect. Tied to a mechanic that rewards positional play on both partners part.
: Improves execute against the most recent dangerous enemy.
: Auto-attack steroid.
: Spammable nuke spell.
: Makes Vayne the ultimate single-target destroyer, by playing on the target-agnostic aspect again.
Villiers1 votesDoesn't feel unique, don't play it. My god.
NinjaToad997 votes[{quoted}](name=LoL aint life,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I5lBKfxk,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-08-05T00:14:32.139+0000)
"We want to keep %true damage a rare and unique mechanic"
Fiora and Garen got it in not even one month rofl.
Yeah but Garen's is a whopping 1% and only on the person with the most kills (In a time frame).
Silents4297 votes"We want to keep %true damage a rare and unique mechanic"
The current uses of it have all been in unique ways.
"We don't want to nerf Garen's silence"
They said they wouldn't remove it, as a Garen main It was stupidly overpowered anyway.
"We want Mordekaiser to replace other ADCs"
Nerfs all tank items and literally guts Solo Mordekaiser.
You are literally fucking liars Riot.
What part of that was lieing?
TotalJerk1 votesThat and his level 16 passive needed to be tuned down for a viable Garen to be healthy, tbh. My main gripe with this patch is the W changes. He NEEDS that Tenacity. Half the fun of playing Garen was stacking that, Q, and 
or 
and powering through a team's peel after you snowballed. And the entire purpose of that 20% resistance bonus was so that he had room to build the damage item he needs to be relevant without being too squishy to tank.
Silents4291 votesI can't say I'll feel the loss of tenacity, I might notice after playing him, but on his current passive I heal back to full health in mere seconds after fights and it's insane.
TotalJerk1 votesPersonally, my entire playstyle revolved around abusing how CC resistant Garen can get.
ElJanitorFrank5 votesI don't follow on the mordekaiser one...how does nerfing solo Morde NOT help him in a duo lane in place of an ADC?
Noctius284 votesAm I the only one more concerned about the Lee Sin mega anti tank Buff?
CasterGilgamesh2 voteswhat game are you playing op there are hardly any champions that do true damage your just being dumb there are over 100 champions in this game and very few actually do true damage if riot applies some follow up buffs he can very well achieve what riot wants him to do they changed how 
is so now it's only good on tanks not so well om fighters since now tanks can use it much more effectively against adcs garen still has that cancer silence when talon doesn't they did keep their promise saying that garen gets to keep that retarded silence they just made it so he can overwhelm a mage you are just going on the hate riot bandwagon im not a very big fan of riot after they keep nerfing my favorite champions to the ground but the honestly besides maybe the mord change have done nothing wrong you need to STFU
AMYS GRAVE3 voteshttp://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/True_damage
there are 16 champs (including updated garen and fiora) that deal true damage which is over 12% of the lineup.
you need to STFU
don't put things like that in posts, uncool.
