Why do some support mains act like they are immune to criticism?

BossKhan·Sep 25, 2015·9 votes·2,133 views

DISCLAIMER: This is just my opinion of a few support mains, not the majority. If you are a support main and this does not describe you, then congratulations, this thread does not apply to you.

A lot of the time I will read threads on here and Reddit that give the impression that support players are paragons of selflessness for playing a role that doesn't focus around getting kills. This somehow makes them less toxic, annoying, angry, and a better overall human being than the average League player and we should all worship them.

Fine, I get it. Your role is to help the team win by offering utility, and that is a great and important role. But why does that simple fact make support players think they're better than everyone else? Support players routinely caricature their ADCs as toddlers and crybabies, whereas they themselves can do no wrong... for the sole reason that they are the support. It makes no sense. Maybe your ADC was right in going aggro and you were in the wrong for playing passive? Maybe your ADC was right in hanging back rather than following a bad engage from the support? Maybe the ADC is right in criticizing his support for the lack of ward coverage? In all of these instances, if an ADC legitimately brings up issue with the support's play, then he is automatically toxic, and the support is a victim. Why? Sometimes supports will leave lane altogether and make their ADC go 1 vs 2 in lane because the ADC brought up issue with the support's play. However, if the support criticizes the ADC, it's considered fine. It's a double standard.

Every other role in this game is liable to legitimate, constructive criticism. If my jungler doesn't apply any map pressure, I have a legitimate reason to criticize that gameplay. If my mid laner isn't roaming properly or at least pushing a lane while the enemy mid laner is roaming, I can bring that up. If my top laner is feeding kills rather than playing passive under tower, I can tell my top laner to hug turret and it's no big deal. However, if I tell my support to drop more wards or help peel the enemy tank off of me, all of a sudden they act as if they have been brutally insulted and then everyone on the team flocks to console the victim of this most grievous assault.

This massive sense of entitlement makes some support mains think that no matter what, they weren't the reason the team lost; rather, it's always because the toxic ADC, the useless jungler, the no damage midlaner, or the feeding top laner screwed it up. No, the game couldn't possibly have been lost because the support was just terrible at CC, warding, or using peel. Remember, because they are so selfless for playing support, they are immune to your criticism.

TL;DR: I love supports. Some support mains, however, seem to think that they are better than everyone else on their team for the sole fact that they are selflessly playing support. Step off the high horse and realize that you are no different from anyone else on the team.

40 Comments

Deep Terror NamiSep 25, 201510 votes

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/54209784.jpg Hint: It's a joke

EnosetcSep 25, 20152 votes

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http://cdn.meme.am/instances/54209784.jpg Hint: It's a joke

but you understand that there are "support mains" who unironically behave this way right

Deep Terror NamiSep 25, 20151 votes

Ya, there's "that guy" in each role.

BossKhanSep 25, 20153 votes

But there isn't a giant circlejerk over each role like there is for support mains. Junglers, ADCs, and Top Laners are universally reviled. Supports are treated like angels.

TheLittlestLuluSep 25, 20158 votes

"Why do some [insert role here] mains act like they are immune to criticism?"

BossKhanSep 26, 20151 votes

You might as well have just posted this: "I didn't read OP's post, only the header, but I'm going to proceed to post my witty comment anyway."

TheLittlestLuluSep 26, 20154 votes

{quoted}

You might as well have just posted this: "I didn't read OP's post, only the header, but I'm going to proceed to post my witty comment anyway."

DISCLAIMER: This is just my opinion of a few adc mains, not the majority. If you are a adc main and this does not describe you, then congratulations, this thread does not apply to you.

A lot of the time I will read threads on here and Reddit that give the impression that adc players are paragons of carrying for playing a role that focuses around getting kills. This somehow makes them less toxic, annoying, angry, and a better overall human being than the average League player and we should all worship them.

Fine, I get it. Your role is to help the team win by carrying them, and that is a great and important role. But why does that simple fact make adc players think they're better than everyone else? Adc players routinely caricature their supports as toddlers and crybabies, whereas they themselves can do no wrong... for the sole reason that they are the ADC. It makes no sense. Maybe your support was right in going aggro and you were in the wrong for playing passive? Maybe your support was right in hanging back rather than following a bad engage from the ADC? Maybe the support is right in criticizing his ADC for the lack of ward coverage? In all of these instances, if a support legitimately brings up issue with the ADC's play, then he is automatically toxic, and the ADC is a victim. Why? Sometimes ADCs will leave lane altogether and make their support go 1 vs 2 in lane because the support brought up issue with the ADC's play. However, if the ADC criticizes the support, it's considered fine. It's a double standard.

Every other role in this game is liable to legitimate, constructive criticism. If my jungler doesn't apply any map pressure, I have a legitimate reason to criticize that gameplay. If my mid laner isn't roaming properly or at least pushing a lane while the enemy mid laner is roaming, I can bring that up. If my top laner is feeding kills rather than playing passive under tower, I can tell my top laner to hug turret and it's no big deal. However, if I tell my ADC to drop more wards or stay out of the front line, all of a sudden they act as if they have been brutally insulted and then everyone on the team flocks to console the victim of this most grievous assault.

This massive sense of entitlement makes some ADC mains think that no matter what, they weren't the reason the team lost; rather, it's always because the toxic support, the useless jungler, the no damage midlaner, or the feeding top laner screwed it up. No, the game couldn't possibly have been lost because the ADC was just terrible at damage, positioning, or using wards. Remember, because they are so selfless for playing ADC, they are immune to your criticism.

TL;DR: I love ADCs. Some ADC mains, however, seem to think that they are better than everyone else on their team for the sole fact that they are carrying by playing ADC. Step off the high horse and realize that you are no different from anyone else on the team.

Wow look at that this thread can apply to anyone.

ForeverSep 25, 20155 votes

Support main here, I agree, I really do not understand the generalization "all ADC mains are meanies and all support mains are nice" that I see quite often.

I see nice people in every role, and rude people in every role; no role should be stereotyped more negatively than others.

MimySep 25, 20153 votes

ADC and Support main..

A salty support.. is scarier then a salty ADC... Nuff said... xD

BossKhanSep 25, 20151 votes

Yeah, it seems that ADCs are pretty universally reviled, which I think is unfair. When I play ADC, I have to be very careful not to say something that might even remotely be interpreted as toxic due to the stigma that the ADC is well, always toxic.

EnosetcSep 25, 20154 votes

because there's a certain circlejerk who believes that putting a ward in a bush is the pinnacle of mechanical skill

BossKhanSep 25, 20153 votes

Well that and the fact that if I say they placed a poor ward, they will say something like, "Well then you can buy wards too" and then proceed to get very defensive about it.

EnosetcSep 25, 20153 votes

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Well that and the fact that if I say they placed a poor ward, they will say something like, "Well then you can buy wards too" and then proceed to get very defensive about it.

"why does no one ever ward? it's not just the support's job!" -support with no sightstone and a yellow trinket 15 minutes in

BossKhanSep 25, 20153 votes

ADC: "Hey, Janna can you peel Rengar off of me next time?"

Support: "I've been carrying you all game. I'm the reason you're even 5 and 0. Guess you can be by yourself since you're so good."

ADC: -_-

3TWarriorSep 25, 20151 votes

15 minutes in, if their gold is low enough not to have a sight stone, hopefully they will have an upgraded trinket instead.

the sight stone becomes a waste of money once the laning phase ends, unless the support is bulky enough to live with it

EnosetcSep 25, 20151 votes

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the sight stone becomes a waste of money once the laning phase ends, unless the support is bulky enough to live with it

i puked

Doc RobotSep 26, 20153 votes

{quoted} putting a ward in a bush is the pinnacle of mechanical skill

It must be, since we seem to be the only ones capable of doing it.

BudupopsSep 25, 20153 votes

save ur wall for china

Archon XSep 25, 20153 votes

as a support main I would pretty much never insult the adc either in-game or in any other public venue. it's a roleplay thing.

however the jungler can eat a fat chode for farming sated while enemy amumu camped our lane. you ever hear of the fucking adCARRY how about help them instead of thinking you're going to carry with your little bonus magic damage.

disregardableSep 25, 20152 votes

Are you fucking serious? YOU are a support main?

Archon XSep 25, 20151 votes

yeah and I have fantastic winrates as support. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/44830954#ranked-stats

disregardableSep 25, 20152 votes

You are the meanest support I have ever seen...like wtf. You do need to have some level of patience and understanding to play that role.

Archon XSep 25, 20152 votes

my wins rates imply I am a decent support.

I just don't abide dumbasses on the forums.

BossKhanSep 25, 20151 votes

That's the point of my OP. Supports can be just as mean, rude, toxic as any other type of player. There is no reason to put them on the pedestal just because they are playing support.

disregardableSep 25, 20152 votes

nah dude, you don't even KNOW the stuff this guy has said.

Deep Terror NamiSep 25, 20152 votes

There's always two sides to the same coin. Or here, two sides of a hand; you are my gentle palm, informing and correcting people respectfully, and Archon X is the back of my hand, pimp slapping idiots.

BossKhanSep 25, 20152 votes

For me it depends on the jungler. If it's Master Yi or Shyvana, then I'm fine with them stacking devourer as long as they use it later.

I just think that it's strange that there are so many threads poking fun at the various roles and examples of their bad gameplay, like the top that never leaves his lane, or the jungler that never ganks... except support. I don't think I have ever seen a thread that lampoons bad support players that will just sit in bot bush for 15 minutes, or who will always use exhaust after the enemy does all his damage. It's just taboo to make fun of support mains for some reason.

3TWarriorSep 25, 20151 votes

not taboo, but the risk of turning a support into a toxic support is so great that it instills fear into the deepest recesses of players' hearts

3TWarriorSep 25, 20153 votes

I know where you're going with this, but it's usually a rarity and when that support does wrong elsewhere, the myth is quickly dispelled.

Ever had a soraka think she was leona? I have. Ever had a taric refuse to heal? I have...

ever had a mobile ADC dash passed the minions and get instakilled for challening 2 full health enemy champions, thinking that they would win because they're "vayne" or any other powerful ADC.

oh, it's even more fun when the ADC jumps in when there's a jungler in the bush...

it's fair game really, but usually the supports that do you wrong aren't really a support main and are playing because they heard that support is an AFK role

MeserionSep 25, 20152 votes

we're like this because we developed a thick skin from hyprocritcal douchebags who may or may not be the ADC in our lane. we ingore criicism because it hurts when it happens all the time, its a defense mechanism. when you critcize instead of advise you make us very defensive.

Baby GhoulSep 25, 20152 votes

Are you kidding me?

More often than not people gang up on the support, and expect them to only be a warding machine. A support could end the game with 40 some wards total, but the jungler without an upgraded trinket will say something like, "a shame we didn't have enough vision, our support was terrible." I see supports frequently get ganged up on when a team fight goes badly, and flamed hard. It's the role I pick when my main role top lane is picked, and top laners outside of Riven don't really have a reputation for being toxic.

What game have you been playing? On the boards there are frequently people who post threads claiming that supports get carried and have no impact on the game.

Like someone else said, there are far more circle jerks for the ADCs, and there was a big thread about that just the other week here. You're seeing what you want to see.

Anytime a support main makes a thread asking for item diversity for supports, especially with sightstone, a bunch of people rush in and downvote claiming that the item is going to be abused by other roles without listening to any of the ideas. Riot barely listens to support mains on that subject.

GigglingAngelSep 25, 20151 votes

So basically, it doesn't matter what role people are in. You'll find people who suck, no matter what role they play. And since bot is the main lane where you'll almost always find 2 people together in, it's the one lane that sprouts all the arguments, since it's always the other person's fault.

BossKhanSep 25, 20151 votes

That is true. However, I find it unfair that support mains are put on the pedestal and highly regarded, especially on the forums, when they can be just as rude, mean, toxic, and unskilled as anyone else on their team. There's a huge circlejerk to supports mains on the forums.

GigglingAngelSep 25, 20152 votes

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That is true. However, I find it unfair that support mains are put on the pedestal and highly regarded, especially on the forums, when they can be just as rude, mean, toxic, and unskilled as anyone else on their team. There's a huge circlejerk to supports mains on the forums.

Really? Because I see more of a circle-jerk defending ADCs a lot of the time, to be honest. Though, that might just be because I mostly hang around GD ...

BossKhanSep 25, 20151 votes

I think ADCs are the most hated role lol. They have the stereotype of being crybabies, whiners, and toxic (especially if they happen to play Vayne or Jinx). Support players usually don't have bad stereotypes associated with them.

Of course you could be right and I could be wrong. What negative stereotypes do you see associated with support mains?

Truly PridefulSep 25, 20151 votes

I go into every game treating everyone the same, don't care what you're playing. Now that might change if you start throwing a tantrum and acting like a toddler. There are entitled turds playing every role, it's just how a game like this is. I personally play support because that's what I want to play. I don't think I'm better than anyone else, I just think it's the spot I can personally impact the game best with my skillset.

DrNovaSep 25, 20151 votes

Wtf is this thread lol.

Snake PillarSep 25, 20151 votes

I play both support and ADC. I usually don't say much, but I do try to keep my team positive. I try to stop them from flaming each other and encouraging them. And if my ADC does something wrong, I'll tell them it's okay and do ??? next time. And if I'm ADC, and my support doesn't ward or something, I'll give him/her a little reminder, like can you ward river? or We're a bit behind! Let's play passive so I can farm up. Sometimes I do get mad at my ADC if he/she constantly misses CS so I just start taking the minions he/she missed l0l. (30% of bronze/silver ADCs can't LAST hIT!!) I think the role of the support is to, well, support the team. I hate it when my team is yelling at each other. Because flaming your 0/3 top laner usually makes them play worse, rather than saying Hey, you're losing lane, play passive for now and we'll come help later! This usually encourages them and stops the enemy top laner from snowballing into an unstoppable beast. Haha I went really off topic.

In ranked, I've met a lot of different ADCs. There are.. the ones that don't communicate. The ones that only communicate through pings. The really nice ones who are positive and don't get mad even if we're losing lane, or if we're winning, they say gj! everytime we get an objective, win a team fight, get a kill, etc. And last but not least.. The flaming, toxic, really mean ADC. However, I rarely get those :>

As for supports... Yeah. We do get treated really well sometimes, but there are also games where we're just. I don't know. Flamed to hell. I was in this one game, where enemy bot lane lost terribly, and everyone on enemy team was flaming the support for not warding, missing all their skill shots, being unskilled, etc. However! The best feeling is saving your teammates with a really good bubble or using a mikaels on them right before they die and save them :D And then they treat you like you're a god xD

3lancerSep 27, 20151 votes

Regardless of role, you don't exactly have a right to criticize your teammates, as they may mistake it as being "toxic" and "rude" (it's strange how easily people can get offended) Your team's morale is important, especially in solo q

Try to offer tips without directly insulting them for example "Hey Thresh , could you upgrade your trinket/ or could you try to ward objectives and buy some pinks?"