My wish list for Season 8:

Malicious Metal··151 votes·6,820 views

Improved AP itemization And no, I do not mean to simply "Buff AP". AP itemisation lacks diversity as every Ap champion, be it Assassin, Burst mage, Control Mage or your occasional AP Bruiser, builds the same items and there's not a lot of variety in their builds.

Meanwhile AD itemization is extremely strong and there's an item for almost any situation. What AP itemization needs is: A) MORE items. Simply more items to fill certain niches. Like more durability for those fighting in chaotic skirmishes Diana Mordekaiser Morgana Rumble Evasiveness for those slippery bastards Fizz Leblanc Ekko

We need item choices that help AP champions adapt to certain situations and their own playstyles rather than just building items because they deal the most damage.

B) Clearly defined strengths and weaknesses We do not need Morellonomicon-like items that are a 100% pickup and do not give a clear trade off. Item choices should be that: Choices There needs to be a tradeoff for wanting to be tankier and it'd be a loss of front up burst in favor of more DPS You would want more damage but it'll be like running around a battlefield wearing nothing but fancy lingerie.

Improved FIGHTER itemization Fighters always had the problem of their items overlapping with other classes like Tanks, Assassins and the occasional ADC. What Fighter itemization needs is similar to AP items: Variety and more clearly defined niches.

What I suggest are more items building out of item 3052 We could get items that would allow some immobile Juggernauts to function in this game where CC and kiting reigns supreme. Maybe something that builds out of item 3052 and item 3140 and allows for situational CC cleanse

We need more active fighter items as well, those who allow for skill expression and provide high moments of power on a Cooldown. It would allow Fighters to feel like more than just stat sticks but something that actual takes more skill to play.

Crit Rework I have no idea how I'd do it but I would aim to make ADC damage scale more evenly with game time, truly delivering on their "late game scaling" fantasy. I would also introduce more diverse ADC itemization with dedicated Spellslinger, AA ADC and lethality adc items to support all these playstyles equally.

We need more diversity bot lane and starting by giving Marksmen more clearly defined classes and strengths/weakness profiles would be a great start too!

More Power in Support kits, less in items 'Nuff said. Playing support should be about the champions, not the items! Still, powerful actives that make for high moments are good design, just a tad too strong right now!

Tl:DR: Just like a MMO grinder I want MOAR ITEMS!

210 Comments

Wráthful71 votes

how about fixing the paper towers.

Bottom Laner11 votes

The sad thing is is that that soaks up more than the SR towers do

Chembaron Yamada43 votes

Huh, I expected to see a Mordekaiser rework on that list.

Sahn Uzal24 votes

It's always there, in our hearts.

Malicious Metal16 votes

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It's always there, in our huearts.

FTFY

Malicious Metal110 votes

It is on my wishlist for season 23

UnboundHades7 votes

dont get ahead of yourself that rework is set to be mid season 51

PePsiLemoNN40 votes

Mages need better build paths . Also some1 suggested making item 3802 build into 2 different items so item 3165 isn't just ''u gotta take dis''.

500000000000000018 votes

black market brawlers had nice alternatives!

hopeful429 votes

My wishlist is simple: Stop making the game revolve around ADCs.

Buff their predators (burst mages, assassins, divers). Reduce the insane amount of peeling/shielding/healing they get from their supports or from their items. Find ways so the melee carries will come even remotely close to the scaling power of ADCs.

And the first step to do this is to stop catering to the cries of vocal ADC players who will always complain no matter what, be it on reddit or here (mostly on reddit)

Skorch9 votes

So buff everything but ADCs... Am i the only one that remembers the start of season 7?

Malicious Metal31 votes

That dreaded time when Bot lane wasn't the center of the universe and we saw innovative picks like Ziggs bot? OH no, the horror!

Skorch9 votes

Big difference between center of the universe. And not allowed to play. Im not even an ADC player, and i am not gonna pretend that they are always god-children. ADCs like every other class has uptimes and downtimes. The difference is since they are still picked when useless.

Ahristocats13 votes

i wonder why people picked adcs if they were not allowed to play

thinking

Skorch3 votes

So they could actually have siege. Notice the non-marksman that was played bot at that time was the best siege in the game. That also made 4 man dives even more rewarding cause of his W.

:thinking:

Ahristocats7 votes

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So they could actually have siege.

do you like to play yourself? because you just played yourself by saying that adcs could play the game

gj

Skorch4 votes

XD implying having 0 damage in fights as playing. Listen ADCs are the only class that can actually kill turrets, even though they are paper, they are the only ones reliably able to sustain-hit them. Doesnt mean that in teamfights they can do anything to champions.

Nice try though.

Ahristocats7 votes

i'm not trying anything, those are just facts that you adc mains fail to understand with your IQ

as long as you siege you play the game, as long as we need you you play the game wether you do damage or not

and SHUT THE ** because adcs doing 0 damage is just bullshit, it never happened in any meta

Gesterr10 votes

Supports aren't big damage threats but are still vital to a team's success and is still a fun role. Do damage is not a requisite for being important or fun but some adc bandwagon players won't understand that.

Skorch5 votes

"Im not even an ADC player" Calls me an ADC player. Insults IQ.

Im gonna have to ask you to try again.

"I am not trying anything" Calls me ADC player to try to invalidate my opinion.

Ahristocats1 votes

ah i see, that's how you chose to reply to my fact that adcs could play the game by being sieging threat

Good one bro

Skorch6 votes

You wanna talk about Seige? Lets talk Ziggs one of the best bot lane champions in this meta. Splitters top etc.

The most efficient siege is still Marksman. However Ziggs gets picked away, well guess ill just play Cait and try to survive. 4man dive 4man dive 4man dive They can still play by just getting to turrets. But ADCs being good at sieging always is a double edged sword.

ADC are bad? You are basically free kills. ADC are good? they can get killed. But they can always siege.

In fact back then it wouldnt surprise me if Yasuo/Jax/Trundle could be played down there if they had a good engage support.

Sure them being useless is over exaggerated but that is true for every champion.

You want ADC to not always be meta? The answer isnt reworking all ADCs or Nerfing them to hell. There are times when they are bad.

Then design a champion designed to fight ranged champions that also has good siege. (Ziggs)

Love fighter/tank bias.

Ahristocats2 votes

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The most efficient siege is still Marksman. However Ziggs gets picked away,

ziggs bot had 0.5% pick rate xd

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well guess ill just play Cait and try to survive. 4man dive 4man dive 4man dive

ziggs could also get dove

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ADC are bad? You are basically free kills. ADC are good? they can get killed. But they can always siege.

yep, you got it, they can siege

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In fact back then it wouldnt surprise me if Yasuo/Jax/Trundle could be played down there if they had a good engage support.

yeah have fun being lvl 6 while everyone is lvl 9 as yasuo and jax and being legit useless with 0 base stats as a melee as you lack of lvls and your spells have so much cd (except yas)

ONLY IN BRONZE you can make that work

no fcking way a high elo player would think "wow let's put yasuo and trundle in this meta cuz adc are shit"

ony bronze elo can think that adcs were so bad that you could legit put illogical picks bot

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You want ADC to not always be meta? The answer isnt reworking all ADCs or Nerfing them to hell. There are times when they are bad.

Then design a champion designed to fight ranged champions that also has good siege. (Ziggs)

no point to see there keep talking bro i love making people realise that there is a reason they belong in an elo

Skorch6 votes

Now you bring in rank? Ha man you are the best at these.

All you are saying is "yes" and "no" then insulting me.

XD

Mens Hair Club13 votes

when the most broken late game champs were actually bad early and had to scale?

Skorch5 votes

When they actually couldnt scale cause the meta was roaming mid and lee-sin jungle 4 manning the shit out of them.

Abibyama6 votes

And a Caitlyn with IE, Runaan and Last whisper didn't do any damage to a Poppy with sunfire cape and ninja tabi?

Skorch8 votes

poppy ptsd

Penns25 votes

we could start by

not making ga an AD only item summoner 13

also AD assassins got item 3147 as bandaid, "i demand justice"

Rathar Dashing15 votes

not making ga an AD only item

You can get Zhonya's, it just requires a little more work than simply dying.

Penns4 votes

i need both tho

Rathar Dashing18 votes

ask a Zilean nicely, then.

Ahristocats20 votes

what you will get

is an anti shield item hehehe

Sdars26 votes

And a buff to shields to compensate, I can already bet.

Arakadia26 votes

And suddenly shields are even worse if you don't buy the item and fine if you do, creating another GW problem.

Sahn Uzal25 votes

Yeah this is basically the reason I'm not happy with the idea of an anti shielding item.

Ralanr15 votes

That and it hurts solo shield tanks harder than it does shield spammed ADCs and supports.

AceGeo3 votes

@Ralanr But you're sacrificing an entire item just to get it. Think about the stat sacrifice.

Ralanr9 votes

Imo I doubt it'll be much of a sacrifice item.

NineTailedMystic2 votes

I mean, Executioner's give shit stats for 800g.

Ralanr4 votes

Executioners isn't a rush item. For a late game purchase it's great because you'll probably have your items by then.

Hell it's not bad as a midgame purchase because odds are you'll have someone else on the team to provide more damage mid.

Hella Kaiser14 votes

#Bring Back WOTA

Keepe10 votes

Will of the Ancients... Good times.

"DFG"? Never heard of it.

Hella Kaiser13 votes

ok, no thanks... i don't wanna get nuked for 3k dmg from just DFG + Syndra's or Veigar's point and click ult.

Keepe5 votes

I can do you one better. Malz ult + DFG. =D

Celestial Lion126 votes

oh god no. please dont make me remember, i want to forget

LankPants12 votes

My wishlist is more just to see the major fuckups of the last two years fixed.

  • Get Graves to work in a lane, because he'll never be a healthy jungler
  • Fix Zyra and Brand as mid laners
  • Unfuck AP itemisation, I'm more or less with you on that one
  • Rework Rengar into something other than instant burst from stealth, work with Rengar mains to actually get it right
  • Fix up LB, right now she's just in a shit state where few enjoy her and even fewer enjoy playing against her
  • Revert Sej and Zac, they were both fine before but sure as hell aren't now
  • Remove Stoneplate, buff other tank items to a reasonable level
Wukong Airlines9 votes

My Unicorn Wishlist for S8: TurnMonkeyKing Udyr into fun non-binary champs with at least 1 skillshot and outplay potential in their kit.

50ShadesOfÀDC1 votes

You do realise that not only ADCs build crit?

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