Is Thornmail trash?

Maple Crusader·Nov 27, 2015·2 votes·954 views

Seems pretty useless atm with the new AD items and against AD casters in general.

12 Comments

JbelsNov 27, 20155 votes

considering the class it's supposed to counter (Marksmen) Now can heal more than the item actually damages them with lifesteal, yeah I would say so

Emperor CynricNov 27, 20151 votes

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considering the class it's supposed to counter (Marksmen) Now can heal more than the item actually damages them with lifesteal, yeah I would say so

same

RenailleNov 27, 20153 votes

Yes it is trash.

Packun FlowerNov 27, 20153 votes

It used to be a a staple item on Rammus. But against some champs it really does nothing.

My last game had an all AD team with a Fiora top, Yi Jungle and a Vayne bot.

That's alot of true damage. I got the item on Rammus and it literally did nothing.

The sad fact is Sustain and Crits are just to out of control in the meta right now for most armor items to be effective.

On top of that I haven't played a single game int he past week where a team took any AP champ mid. The most AP I have seen in any game is an AP support like Annie.

The sad truth is AP mages are dead and have no place in the meta. AD outpowers AP by almost triple now, rendering more then half of leagues Roster effectively useless and unviable.

But hey, at least we got some fancy skins.

GekkoSTNov 27, 20151 votes

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It used to be a a staple item on Rammus. But against some champs it really does nothing.

My last game had an all AD team with a Fiora top, Yi Jungle and a Vayne bot.

That's alot of true damage. I got the item on Rammus and it literally did nothing.

The sad fact is Sustain and Crits are just to out of control in the meta right now for most armor items to be effective.

On top of that I haven't played a single game int he past week where a team took any AP champ mid. The most AP I have seen in any game is an AP support like Annie.

The sad truth is AP mages are dead and have no place in the meta. AD outpowers AP by almost triple now, rendering more then half of leagues Roster effectively useless and unviable.

But hey, at least we got some fancy skins.

this is truth

Maple CrusaderNov 27, 20151 votes

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It used to be a a staple item on Rammus. But against some champs it really does nothing.

My last game had an all AD team with a Fiora top, Yi Jungle and a Vayne bot.

That's alot of true damage. I got the item on Rammus and it literally did nothing.

The sad fact is Sustain and Crits are just to out of control in the meta right now for most armor items to be effective.

On top of that I haven't played a single game int he past week where a team took any AP champ mid. The most AP I have seen in any game is an AP support like Annie.

The sad truth is AP mages are dead and have no place in the meta. AD outpowers AP by almost triple now, rendering more then half of leagues Roster effectively useless and unviable.

But hey, at least we got some fancy skins.

Isn't true damage a problem? You did mention Yi, Fiora and Vayne.

Packun FlowerNov 27, 20152 votes

True damage is always a problem and has no place in any form of meta. Its a mechanic that has no counter play what so ever, especially when its also a % true damage.

However what made true damage attackers like Yi, Vayne and Fiora tolerable at best was the fact that thornmail could return alot of their flat damage that comes along with true damage, there for making trades with them somewhat more doable because the lifesteal for them was much weaker.

BUT THEN WE GOT WARLORDS BLOODLUST AND DAMAGE REDUCTION AD/CRIT ITEMS LIKE PHANTOM DANCER. Every ADC and auto attacks circle jerk dream.

Holyshit, kiss your tank goodbye. When any auto attacker capable of true damage grabs that item with that mastery you might as well kiss your LP goodbye because no amount of tank and peel is going to stop them from completely removing you from a fight no matter how tanky you are. You might as well just throw an orange covered in Vaseline at them and hope to god they trip and fall.

SaltyKrackaNov 27, 20151 votes

I've found it situationally useful, especially against Guinsoo's users.

ErockandrollNov 27, 20152 votes

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I've found it situationally useful, especially against Guinsoo's users.

that's some that got me with the Thornmail changes. They reduced the %damage that gets returned, but added an extra return damage that scales with Armor. So it becomes less of anti Damage item, and even more of a Anti AS item.

Usually, I buy it against a heavy AD team. But everything is dependent on the enemy team comp. You can build for any situation really.