The dream https://49.media.tumblr.com/8d1545220b0bacda88e0e83a0f591cb3/tumblr_n94q5xGxaW1snbskwo1_500.gif So I heard you wanted to do damage today. COME AT ME.
The reality
http://i.imgur.com/GeISMNb.gif
Oh fuck.
starly13530 votesWhen your a 5000hp taric with 450 armor against a full ad team tho.
Squidsmastah41 votesYeah all that
armoris
reallyreally 
helpful.
Knoyle38 votes
Melledoneus30 votes
l Helios l19 votesRammus still wins.
ChaoticPinecone8 votesDepends on the Fiora build. Not saying that its viable, but if youre on Rammus killing duty just by 6 Scimitars + red elixir. 210 MR negates most of Rammus' damage. 60% lifesteal heals back what gets lost. Active for the taunt.
And the kicker - you get enough AD to do 100% true damage with your ult.
bill841 votescan this be banned?
Sinlaire4 votesall the time in Diamond from what i hear. because yes, a lvl 3 Grand Challenge from Fiora with about 4-5 items breaks over 100% true damage.
No amount of armor, MR, or Health will ever save someone from a 4 point strike from Fiora. They can only hope they can life steal enough to stop the true damage from killing them or getting the ult to fall off before all 4 points are tapped.
KarKzz5 votesi once saw a 'trolly" full AD build for fiora, the guy did 50% hp truedamage / vital. He could literally two shots people in under 1 second.
bobsenbob2 votesthat's not actually possible, I get that you're most likely exxagerating but in order to get that level of damage you would need 1050 bonus ad so.....yeah
KarKzz1 votesbobsenbob1 votesyou said per vital, in the original post it was32% max hp per vital, in the second post it's a stacked flesheater, not relevant to the actual game, unless you think the edit is not actually a stacked flesh eater, in which case feel free to post a build with 1100 bonus ad
bill841 votesCould this be made better by having
or does that not work on rammus w?
kile1471 votesAll of Rammus's abilities deal magic damage, so they wouldn't proc the heal on that. He's much better building 
because he gets lots of AD from his passive. I have gone into teams and literally taken zero damage because I am lifestealing 100% of the damage they deal.
Sypher The Poro3 votes
Heal for 15% of all damage dealt.
kile14713 votesI don't remember what order armor pen is applied, but worst case scenario:
450 X 0.7 =315
(315-89 base armor at 18) X 0.55 = 124
124 bonus + 89 Base - 40 flat pen= 173 armor after all reductions = 63% physical damage reduction
63% damage reduction = 2.7 times as much effective health
Meaning that 3500 health (which should be achievable even with 450 armor) is actually worth 9460 HP assuming someone does literally everything in their power to counter your armor stacking.
Talon with 325 bonus AD can deal about 3000 damage ( (850 ability base + 980 scalings + 800 from two autos) X 15% amp from his E ) in one combo. That would chunk Taric by 1/3 of his effective health, do a little bit more once Duskblade popped, at which point Taric heals that off and smashes talons face in.
Steel Blossom2 votesWow, actual math, actual reason! The board needs more people like you, man.
dr lichdeath1 votesvery nice
but talon is the balanced assassin amongst them so ... if u compare it with fiora and xin taric will lose after all even qewq with fiora more dmg 110 base dmg 115% scaling and aplly on hit effect so that would give (were assuming same build as talon) (220+845+ 882) = 1947 then e which is the same as 3 autos 1323 and the w to parry the stun does 250 which results in a ridiculous 3520 if we add in an average fiora (2 procs) 20% max hp 1892 effective hp giving a staggering 5412? adding duskblade gives 2/3 of tarics hp and thats wihtout ult meaning 4 more procs which are 40% of his max hp
if fiora is really good and does 4 procs taric is dead
so... yes the math is nice and all but it doesnt hold a candle vs the broken current meta :(x0.7
in fact it cant even beat yasuo if yasuo uses arpen runes 450 x0.7 =315 then 50% more armor penetration after ulting 315*0.325 =102 armor +89 base -94 arpen... so 97 armor which is not bad if taric had 350 armor he would have 0 armor now ... adding to the fact that yasuo still does 100% crit ... well u know taric aint gonna last long enough escpially if they duel on yasuos windshield
Gnart Even Close1 votesI don't remember what order armor pen is applied, but worst case scenario:
450 X 0.7
124 bonus + 89 Base - 40 flat pen= 173 armor after all reductions = 63% physical damage reduction
63% damage reduction = 2.7 times as much effective health
Meaning that 3500 health (which should be achievable even with 450 armor) is actually worth 9460 HP assuming someone does literally everything in their power to counter your armor stacking.
Talon with 325 bonus AD can deal about 3000 damage ( (850 ability base + 980 scalings + 800 from two autos) X 15% amp from his E ) in one combo. That would chunk Taric by 1/3 of his effective health, do a little bit more once Duskblade popped, at which point Taric heals that off and smashes talons face in.
who on earth has 450 armor? 300 is the most i usually see. and that's including building armor items that don't give health like frozen heart or thornmail.
300 * 0.7 = 210 (210 - 89) * 0.55 = 67 67 + 89 = 156 156 - 40 = 116 = 54% damage reduction = 1.9 times effective health 3500 * 1.9 = 6500 6500 - 3000 = 3500 minus the damage from Duskblade: 3500 - (3000 * .25) = 2750 effective health that's effective health, not actual health back to actual health would be 2750 / 1.9 = 1450 health
If the tank was not at full health (which in reality they wouldn't be because they take poke for their team and the assassin isn't the only one doing damage), then they could easily be assassinated by an assassin. When a tank fully builds against an AD assassin, they still take 2000 damage from their combo. Who thought that was a good idea? Tanks shouldn't be able to be bursted down so easily. You should have to focus them down with sustained damage. It's the ADC's job to kill tanks, not the assassins.
TheProAndrew1 votesu cant shred 800 armor
Gnart Even Close1 votesu cant shred 800 armor
you can shred like 60% of it though. just not the 40% remaining
Duke Anax3 votestake some of that armor and replace it with 
and Windspeaker. Now everyone else gets +70 Armor.
La Barbotte2 votesi did that yesterday, gangplank one shotted me with a barrel, fun game
Shield Villain3 votesYou had one less 0 in your max health then. And no resistance
La Barbotte1 votesi had this : 
Baron of Bread1 votesWhy the heck do you run sated on jungle Taric? Wouldn't Cinderhulk or Runic Echos be better choices?
La Barbotte1 votescause with sated you do dmg while being super tanky with the build (usually i dont have thornmail i have spirit instead) cause you gauntlet + passive + sated proc remove half the HP on anyone but tanks, you cannot be 1v1'd, full build you cannot be 2v1'd, by no one, and as a bonus you get the double pink swag once every two AA
Baron of Bread2 votesDidn't think about the pink swag, that pretty much settles it as the best.
OurLestrade22 votes"Assassins can burst squishies but have trouble with tanks? That makes no sense, lets make it so they can burst tanks too! LCS PLAYS"
ZT Xperimentor2 votes"What's that, they're afraid to towerdive too? Lets make them out of origami so games last 5 minutes long!"
Bottom Laner14 votesI had something close to that dream as and it was glorious
Z Statistic12 votesYeah, no.
Maybe vs hypercarries. not assassins.
Maple Crusader5 votes[{quoted}](name=Menea Calais,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=U5kaVptk,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-02-19T20:55:30.423+0000)
Yeah, no.
Maybe vs hypercarries. not assassins.
Khâmul10 votesassassins don't do shit to tanks,even with these items.they have a burst,but no sustained damages to put them down. you have adc ( ranged or close like trynd/yii). talon zed and ringo just tickle them
Gnart Even Close3 votesassassins don't do shit to tanks,even with these items.they have a burst,but no sustained damages to put them down. you have adc ( ranged or close like trynd/yii). talon zed and ringo just tickle them
it's almost like autoattacks have a 1.0 total AD ratio. and you can have one of those each second. and also armor pen exists. way too much of it. black cleaver and maw minimize some of the burst from tanks so the assassin doesn't get one shot by the tank. and regardless, the assassin probably has follow up from their team.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesYeah stopped reading that when you implied that a tank should "one shot" an assassin and how it appears that the assassin is the only one with a team.
Thank God Riot doesn't listen to these boards.
Gnart Even Close1 votesYeah stopped reading that when you implied that a tank should "one shot" an assassin and how it appears that the assassin is the only one with a team.
Thank God Riot doesn't listen to these boards.
imo better than an assassin (who builds squishy) one shotting a tank (who literally builds against being one shotted). squishies need to position away from being one shotted. tanks need to be in the front taking damage. which one makes more sense to be deleted?
and anyways, i don't want anybody one shotting anybody else. that just leads to counterplay and frustration issues.
also, don't attack people for what they think. that's just rude. don't be rude.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesYeah the guy building all damage should be one shotted because of his lack of defense. And the one shot should come from the guy with a lack of offense since he is building all defense.
Yep you're right that makes perfect since.
Gnart Even Close1 votesYeah the guy building all damage should be one shotted because of his lack of defense. And the one shot should come from the guy with a lack of offense since he is building all defense.
Yep you're right that makes perfect since.
the guy who builds tank items with some damage (i.e. iceborn gauntlet) and who has really high base damages should in fact be able to kill someone without any defenses to mitigate the burst damage. that makes sense
if you wanna get rid of base damages, then accept that assassins would do half to one third of the damage they deal now.
assassins also have a lot of mobility and escapes. most tanks do not. they rely completely on their tankiness to survive. zed, for example, has two blinks to assassinate someone completely safely. nautilus needs to be able to get all the way to the back line with only his Q and ult. his Q can easily be blocked, and people can still get in the way to block him after he ults. without his Q, he loses a lot of lockdown and damage. then, if he does somehow manage to succeed in killing the squishy without dying from the focus he should be taking, then he probably can't get out, and the team doesn't have a tank.
this is entirely balanced around the enemy not messing up horrendously. tanks do die pretty quickly when focused. focus the tank, and your problem goes away.
1v1, yes it becomes a lot harder. but why are you trying to 1v1 a tank as a squishy. especially if the tank has more mobility than you.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesSo now its tank items, "with some damage." Even though this entire boards are in an uproar about squishy champions getting defensive options.
Which brings me back to my original point. Why should no defense actually punish you by being squishy. When no offense simple means, eh your damage is just ok.
Why does that only go in one direction, you should be completely punished for no defense, but with no offense you should still be able to output respectable damage.
RaptorKarr7 votes
: You cannot stop the cane!
Squidsmastah6 votes
hi im alphonse5 votes
Why am i building tanky again? Everyone's dead
Only Play Darius5 votesI mean 
solo kills 
anyway in that cinematic so the first GIF it's less of a dream and more of a reality
BastionKross6 votesI maintain that it was full AP Naut in the cinematic. I mean his anchor kills Jax and his E actually does damage, while W does nothing; that sounds like a mage Nautilus build right there.
Only Play Darius2 votesYea a single E nearly one-shot AhrI lmao
Occams Raiser1 votesWhy can't people just accept that this isnt the season of the tank. It will rotate again. Tanks will be back in fashion in a season or two. Play an ADC. Its their season.
Scramrail5 votesImagine a world where every class of champion was viable at the same time instead of a rotating system of overpowered classes dominating.
BastionKross3 votesWe had that, it was the cinderhulk meta where tanks were strong enough to hold the other, more oppressive classes in check without squishing them completely.
DrProfVibeCheck4 votesIt sucks that I experienced the cinderhulk meta with less experience of this game.
Man, the fun I woulda had. Today, I'm a tank main ;-;
