im not insulting or defaming anyone.
im merely posting a clip of high elo gameplay of why your balance team needs to ease up with the drugs and the extra chromosome levels.
nothing toxic whatsoever but the only thing you allow on these pages is "yasuo op fuck me he e'd on a minon nerf jesus christ" and "riot is so cool!!!"
Dominick Destine13 votesA full rotation =/= "One shot"
This community seriously needs to learn what words mean. This goes double for champions that have two sets of skills in one kit.
Leetri3 votesExactly. If "one shot" means using all of your skills to kill someone I've one-shot people with most of the champions I play. Where do people even draw the line? Do they count champions like Cass or Urgot who spam a single skill as one-shots as well?
I've only done a real one-shot once with pre-rework Bankplank-into-Critplank. I got a ~2000 damage crit with my Q that one-shot a full HP Ashe.
Sagan Forever3 votesHe also did 4 auto attacks
King Geffy1 votes
: My omni-tool showed her the future in hits, not a single hit, but hits!
: Fuck you still
Armored Yokai13 votesthis wasn't a 1 shot....this was a full jayce combo
Papa Andrei8 votesThe reason it got removed is probably because instead of trying to prove a point, you insult Riot
McFatal5 votesThe reason it got removed is probably because instead of trying to prove a point, you insult Riot
first post i said "when a forum user tries to tell me jayce isnt broken"
didnt target riot once.
Papa Andrei4 votes"why your balance team needs to ease up with the drugs and the extra chromosome levels."
So I didn't realize the balance team wasn't part of Riot. since when did that happen?
TehNACHO17 votes...What are you talking about?
As in, he made a separate post with this video and the text: "when a forum user tries to tell me jayce isnt broken"
You respond to which: "The reason it got removed is probably because instead of trying to prove a point, you insult Riot"
It being the first post.
The post that didn't target Riot once.
Reading comprehension skills op.
Papa Andrei1 votesWell i can't say for sure because i didn't see the original post so if he says things like that, he probably said something similar in the other post.
McFatal5 votesWell i can't say for sure because i didn't see the original post so if he says things like that, he probably said something similar in the other post.
I actually didn't. I started the second post asking why they even removed the first when I didn't insult anyone whatsoever. I directed it at the forum users telling them to stop talking on things they don't know about. Didn't bring up riot at all.
Papa Andrei2 votesAlso notice how the Teemo takes his entire combo also but still kills him.
Teémò6 votesMy favorite part was that Teemo killed the jayce lol. Though seriously that 1 shot is messed up. Rip the 6 minions that also got 1 shot with riven.
ChaoticPinecone6 votesHm.
Asayake 5150glow2 votesHm.
- Jayce had +43 AD (and +10 leathality and +80 HP) to Riven's +25 AD (and +10% CDR). Its a difference between 1100 gold on damage items vs 1900 gold in damage items. And for actual in-combat stats, Riven basically only had 875 gold in combat stats (movespeed and CDR doesnt help win the all-ins), while Jayce was sitting on over 2000 gold of straight up stats.
- Riven took no MR runes (E did quite a lot of damage), didnt take any lifesteal in her masteries, and didnt get a Dorans for lifesteal from items.
- Riven's E absorbed zero damage and her Q did 1/3 of the damage it could have. She used her W and 1/3 of her Q to half-health Jayce. It stands to reason that if she actually used all of her spells for damage, she could have one-comboed the Jayce as well.
I don't think you quite understand how long it takes for a full Riven combo. It's up 3 seconds (2 for fast combo and 1 more for W animation and auto animation). Now, how long did it take for Jayce to kill Riven? About 1 and a half.
Having a lot of damage doesn't work if it's gated by time.
Surfer Ashe2 votesRiven can combo in 1.5s with proper animation cancel and have you CC'd for that entire duration.
Riven only used half her abilities and had no ult. If her W had absorbed damage, had her Q deal more damage, had she used her passive rather than running, that would've been a better trade in her favor.
And Riven's base stats are about ADC-tier, esp for a melee champ.
We don't know runes on either champ.
Jayce can be taken down a peg, but Riven definitely misplayed.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes[{quoted}](name=Surfer Ashe,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gFu40pR4,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2017-01-08T15:32:14.047+0000)
Riven can combo in 1.5s with proper animation cancel and have you CC'd for that entire duration.
Riven only used half her abilities and had no ult. If her W had absorbed damage, had her Q deal more damage, had she used her passive rather than running, that would've been a better trade in her favor.
And Riven's base stats are about ADC-tier, esp for a melee champ.
We don't know runes on either champ.
Jayce can be taken down a peg, but Riven definitely misplayed.
It's about 2 seconds with proper animation canceling, at least according to Riot. I saw someone say that (who was a Rioter).
Riven used all of her abilities except for 1 Q, as effectively as possible. There is no way for Riven to get to Jayce without expending either her E and Q, or 2 Q's. It looks like he kinda did the first, since Jayce was still full health before the W, but he was probably extending his Q's. He probably should've stunned slightly later, but tbh it wouldn't have mattered. If he hadn't been extendng his Q's, that's about another 150 damage, which wasn't anywhere near enough when you look at Jayce's damage for her to win the trade. He did use his passive almost as effectively as possible (he could've auto'd and then stunned, at the beginning), and if he had stuck around to use his passive more, he wouldn't have stood a chance. It made no difference whether or not she ran.
Riven can CC you for around 1.75 seconds in total, and that's including her knock up (and basing the knock up duration at 1 second). Her stun literally lasts .75 seconds. There's no way she can have u cc'd for the whole Q combo. She can CC you for most of it if she doublecasts, but then she loses out on an auto attack of damage and is forced to E offensively.
Tbh Riven should not have gone in without all 3 Q's up, as seen in the video she couldn't get out. If she had taken Stormraiders, that would've solved that problem too.
But still. Jayce took about 1/3 of his health while CC'd, which is a pretty damn good trade for Riven. Sadly, his chase down and range was too much for Riven to even attempt anything. Seriously, the best Riven could do is Q+Q (to get into range) auto+W+auto+third Q+E out, and even then there's a chance that Jayce would still catch up with her. Viper burned his E on the way in, and Jayce managed to 100-0 him off that.
No offense, but you clearly don't know Riven well.
ChaoticPinecone3 votesAsayake 5150glow3 votes
- Whats wrong with a fed champion killing a squishy faster than the squishy can kill the fed?
- Why does it matter that Riven takes 3 seconds to execute a combo? Its clear in the video that it wasnt the time that gated her, but the fact that she used her cooldowns ineffectively. Again - her E absorbed zero damage and 2/3 of her Q were used prior to the engage. She was left with the damage from her W, 1/3 of her Q, and her passive.
ChaoticPinecone1 votesI gave the math in my first post for a reason. "Fed" is a relative term for the amount of power that a champion currently has. In terms of all-in, one combo 'stat check' types of fights (which we saw), Jayce was fed. Jayce had 2000 gold worth of items that directly influenced his damage or damage mitigation in that fight. Riven was sitting on 875 gold worth of damage or damage mitigation stats, since she spent a lot of gold on items that dont help her win an all-in.
This point is nothing but theory and "what could have been". Riven would have won the fight if many things had happened - if she waited until 6 to engage, if she dodged the E-Q combo from Jayce, if she waited 40 seconds to get her flash back up so she wouldnt use her Q for gapclosing, etc. My point is a lot narrower and in reponse to you - You tried to argue that the length of time it took to execute her combo is what killed her. It wasnt. It was the fact that by the time she started the fight (Riven did start the fight, after all) more than half her abilities were on cooldown, while Jayce had all 7 of his ability cooldowns up.
Asayake 5150glow1 votes
I gave the math in my first post for a reason. "Fed" is a relative term for the amount of power that a champion currently has. In terms of all-in, one combo 'stat check' types of fights (which we saw), Jayce was fed. Jayce had 2000 gold worth of items that directly influenced his damage or damage mitigation in that fight. Riven was sitting on 875 gold worth of damage or damage mitigation stats, since she spent a lot of gold on items that dont help her win an all-in.
This point is nothing but theory and "what could have been". Riven would have won the fight if many things had happened - if she waited until 6 to engage, if she dodged the E-Q combo from Jayce, if she waited 40 seconds to get her flash back up so she wouldnt use her Q for gapclosing, etc. My point is a lot narrower and in reponse to you - You tried to argue that the length of time it took to execute her combo is what killed her. It wasnt. It was the fact that by the time she started the fight (Riven did start the fight, after all) more than half her abilities were on cooldown, while Jayce had all 7 of his ability cooldowns up.
Yeah, true.
Yes, it is theory, but I never argued that the length of Riven's combo killed her, I said that her damage may have been almost on par with Jayce's, but that would've required a full combo which takes long enough that it can't be compared to a full Jayce combo. But that has nothing to do with this video, or the point. My argument was that she managed her cooldowns ineffectively, but you also have to realize that Riven is never gonna have 3 Q's and her E to use in combat due to needing to gapclose with them. Although she definitely should not be that close to Jayce without an escape up.
ChaoticPinecone1 votesI don't think you quite understand how long it takes for a full Riven combo. It's up 3 seconds (2 for fast combo and 1 more for W animation and auto animation). Now, how long did it take for Jayce to kill Riven? About 1 and a half.
Having a lot of damage doesn't work if it's gated by time.
You argued that the length of time for Riven's combo got her killed.
...You basically just flipped your position to match mine. Just admit that I'm right.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesYou argued that the length of time for Riven's combo got her killed.
...You basically just flipped your position to match mine. Just admit that I'm right.
No, I fucking didn't. How many times do I have to say that?
ChaoticPinecone1 votesNo point arguing about it. I quoted what you said.
Marshbouy4 votesI was wrong about Jayce. You did not convince me, Permabanned Garen did
Usually videos go under concepts and creations, so that's what I'm assuming happened.
McFatal5 votesUsually videos go under concepts and creations, so that's what I'm assuming happened.
this isnt a concept or a creation.
this is straight up puke worthy cancer.
ReZisT Lust3 votestechnically u created the video
McFatal2 votes[{quoted}](name=ReZisT Lust,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gFu40pR4,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-08T06:14:19.887+0000)
technically u created the video
no when i watched it live i typed in a twitch stream "whoever links me the clip of that shit gets a kiss" and one of the guys in the stream gave it to me.
i was ecstatic as fuck to have live proof since im not good with recording.
ReZisT Lust4 votesok then the streamer created the video
LordGeovanni1 votesrito created the game so i guess all balance questions go under concepts and creations too. dont forget the jokes that some one created that shouldnt be under memes and games
ReZisT Lust1 votesYou know what i mean.
LordGeovanni1 votesyou meant that once it references some ones creation its supposed to be under creations even if its him questioning balance
Jorencice2 votesLive proof of jayce dealing damage?
Ita been long known jayce deals good damage...
Plus he used his entire combo it isnt that big of a deal.
I was killed by a fizz once in 0.07 seconds from 100% life at level 18.
Yes 7 HUNDREDS OF A SECOND
Snowplosion4 votesThat's not a one-shot. It's an eight-shot, lul. But in all seriousness, that is broken as fuck.
GULAG 4 U3 votes"Ease up with the drugs"
lmao
AMYS GRAVE2 votes
vs.
He was way ahead of Riven, Riven and Jayce were both building glass cannon up to this point, Riven engaged on him, and got punished accordingly.
McFatal2 votes
vs.
He was way ahead of Riven, Riven and Jayce were both building glass cannon up to this point, Riven engaged on him, and got punished accordingly.
punished accordingly?
had riven had those items she still wouldnt have done that much damage in that amount of time.
are you actually trolling or do you believe thats how top lane mechanics work?
u hit someone for a percentage health to go back only for him to turn on u and melt ur hp bar with a dirk?
the jayce himself was questioning the damage output.
please.
AMYS GRAVE2 votesare you actually trolling or do you believe thats how top lane mechanics work?
Don't engage on someone when you are losing, miss half your combo, and expect to not die. That's not top lane mechanics that's league of legends.
McFatal3 votesDon't engage on someone when you are losing, miss half your combo, and expect to not die. That's not top lane mechanics that's league of legends.
he wasnt that behind. he was near his tower and went for a short trade to disengage after. he forgot jayce can 100-0 level 6 with 1 serrated dirk and a level up
AMYS GRAVE1 voteshe wasnt that behind.
Compare in combat stats for a second and consider the gold value of these as derived in the lol wiki.
53 AD +10 lethality + 80 HP + 3% lifesteal = 2405 gold worth of stats
25AD + 10% CDR = 1141 gold worth of stats
Its not even close.
can 100-0 level 6 with 1 serrated dirk and a level up
And an extra dorans and two extra longswords.
Asayake 5150glow2 votes
vs.
He was way ahead of Riven, Riven and Jayce were both building glass cannon up to this point, Riven engaged on him, and got punished accordingly.
Yeah, looking at this it seems a little less strange that Jayce killed her so fast. Also, it's more like: Riven got within 500 range of Jayce, and was punished with death.
6Sfool1 votesThat's not 1-shotting. I expected to see a 10-0 jayce long range demolish riven in one q. They're both very bursty champs, both building glass cannon, and he used his full combo with thunderlords and his item lead.
Papa Slothy1 votesjayce makes me want to die
King Geffy1 votes : I showed the light for a better future.
: You beaten me down like a bitch, Jayce.
(Jayce looks at her and then he pokes her)
: Stop.
: I WILL SHOW YOU THE FUTURE!!
ModAttysu The Poro1 votesWhat did they remove it for? Wrong board or for breaking the Summoners Code?
