Why do we keep seeing such minute Stun/Snare gains with ability leveling?

ModCaptainMårvelous·Feb 10, 2015·3 votes·527 views

Stun- 1.2/1.3/1.4/1.5/1.6 Snare- 1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4/1.5 PBE Stun- 1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4/1.5

There are a few more examples, I'm sure, but I'm just pointing these out. I'm not sure if I'm missing some big picture here but why even up the duration? Am I supposed to be interested in leveling these skills for the pathetic duration increase? Is these some kind of tiny balancing thing to deal with the one/two champions per game who get tenacity?

Overall, we've sort of scene a devaluing of CC that isn't knockup/back and Slow. Durations are obscenely tiny now and there isn't even scaling to most CC spells. Kinda feels lame that these spells can't even hit 2 seconds ala TF, a champion who is more so an assassin than a crowd controller.

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Lord DusteonFeb 10, 20152 votes

For Zilean/Lissandra/Taric, all of their abilities have the damage increase, cooldown decrease, AND CC duration increase. You aren't leveling them specifically for the .1 second extra CC, but for the increased damage and lower cooldowns.

ModCaptainMårvelousFeb 10, 20151 votes

Taric's CD reduction is 1 second per rank and only 0.1 duration per rank. Taric isn't as concerned with damage either, especially considering he's both A.) A Tank and B.) A support.

Zilean's on the PBE so I'm not sure the exact measure of what his damage/CD will be but we'll check when it's more solidified.

Lissandra, like taric, only gains one second of CD reduction per rank. The damage is ironically worse than Taric's only because of the stipend about Taric doing more damage up close. You have the rest of the kit but I digress.

These skills, when leveled for the other purposes, are vastly unimpressive. (Barring Zilean because he's literally mid-rework right now) Why would I level these at all? In fact, these two skills are the weakest parts of these respective champion's kits. For Lissandra I can get but for Taric? Why is his CC skill (as a TANK) the absolute worst part of his kit? We haven't even discussed other champions like Morgana who go from 2 seconds to 3 seconds, Rammus/Fiddle, etc.

Honestly, I'd rather have scaling duration at the cost of damage, cooldown AND increased mana cost on some of these champs.

NarasimhaFeb 11, 20152 votes

Because for Taric the rest of his kit takes up a considerable amount of his power budget. An armor aura that can also shred the opponents armor? A heal? Bonus damage and a flat cd reduction? Literally free ad and ap?

ModCaptainMårvelousFeb 11, 20151 votes

Shatter is either taric's armor or the armor shred, not both. So you only get about 1/2 of the skill at a time. The Heal is alright, although it's not nearly as good as other dedicated healers. And the duration of his free AP and AD is so laughably small it's only made up for the fact that he has it almost always off cooldown, provided he hits something.

But the point is that Taric's melee. Taric has an enormous amount of trouble closing the gap and staying there in an age of mobility. Why is it that Soraka, the ranged healbot, has better CC than Taric? Shouldn't it be the other way around? I mean, there's a reason Taric is getting a kit update along with his visual update.

straight4freeFeb 11, 20151 votes

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Taric's CD reduction is 1 second per rank and only 0.1 duration per rank. Taric isn't as concerned with damage either, especially considering he's both A.) A Tank and B.) A support.

Zilean's on the PBE so I'm not sure the exact measure of what his damage/CD will be but we'll check when it's more solidified.

Lissandra, like taric, only gains one second of CD reduction per rank. The damage is ironically worse than Taric's only because of the stipend about Taric doing more damage up close. You have the rest of the kit but I digress.

These skills, when leveled for the other purposes, are vastly unimpressive. (Barring Zilean because he's literally mid-rework right now) Why would I level these at all? In fact, these two skills are the weakest parts of these respective champion's kits. For Lissandra I can get but for Taric? Why is his CC skill (as a TANK) the absolute worst part of his kit? We haven't even discussed other champions like Morgana who go from 2 seconds to 3 seconds, Rammus/Fiddle, etc.

Honestly, I'd rather have scaling duration at the cost of damage, cooldown AND increased mana cost on some of these champs.

They actually added in the stun scaling to Taric's kit in a patch, it used to be flat 1.5 seconds. I think for some reason he was dominant for a bit and didn't like that so they wanted to make him max E first for some bizarre reason.

ModCaptainMårvelousFeb 11, 20151 votes

Way back when, Taric's stun used to scale with distance (The same way his damage was now). So a close range stun would last about 1-1.2 seconds but do decent damage while a long-range stun would stun up to 2 seconds IIRC. Why they removed this I have no idea.

MrPerson10Feb 10, 20151 votes

Durations are obscenely tiny now and there isn't even scaling to most CC spells.

Morgana Yeah, okay, miss 3 second snare while taking half your health herself.

ModCaptainMårvelousFeb 10, 20151 votes

Yeah, that always kinda sucked but I think the changes to fear/taunt on Fiddlesticks and Rammus were spot-on. CC increases but you're forsaking the power of your other skills and there's a strong, noticeable increase.

These skills are just like...yeah whoo oh boy I really wanted the damage on Taric's stun.

MrPerson10Feb 10, 20151 votes

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Yeah, that always kinda sucked but I think the changes to fear/taunt on and were spot-on. CC increases but you're forsaking the power of your other skills and there's a strong, noticeable increase.

These skills are just like...yeah whoo oh boy I really wanted the damage on Taric's stun.

I like the nerfs particularly towards fiddle and rammus, because of their taunts or fear being such a long duration, though I think a taunt should always be more like Skarner's ult than Rammus' taunt, not so much the moving the enemy champ (which is one of the reasons I fell in love with skarner in the first place) but rather the way that he's totally immobilized for a decent amount of time, but the trade-off is that it's an ultimate and has a reasonably long CD.