With Eve having her Execute Damage lowered, can we revert the unnecessary Pyke Buff as well?

Rαy·Oct 10, 2018·66 votes·16,029 views

As soon as the Pyke buff hit the PBE, I posted a thread explaining why he does not need it: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/sBVcPLAP-as-a-pyke-player-please-do-not-buff-him

It had a lot of upvotes, but Riot obviously did not care. They wanted as many flashy and edgy champions at Worlds as possible. Now that he is still not really getting picked at Worlds and you seem to know that execution ultimates can be a major problem (Evelynn nerf), can we revert this unneeded buff?

I know you want to just nerf his tanky build now, but why not just revert the buff to his outplay button instead? Can you, for once, just admit that a certain change was a mistake (the entirety of season 8 for example) and revert it instead of touching something else?

19 Comments

KloakOct 10, 201832 votes

Whilst we're on the topic of reverting buffs, how about we do the same to Grass hopper that one shots everybody before they can blink ?

Khazix

NuggetMilkOct 11, 20182 votes

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Whilst we're on the topic of reverting buffs, how about we do the same to Grass hopper that one shots everybody before they can blink ?

how will riot sell their skins then?

Towboat421Oct 10, 201817 votes

He didn't need it and plenty of people have made that known myself included but asking again is not going to do anything. Riot will keep it and hope that the community will just forget about it when in reality its just gonna be another thing to add to the pile...

BugsLivesMattersOct 11, 20184 votes

I almost threw up when I saw Pyke getting a buff to his ultimate. He didn't fucking need it, and it was already gut-wrenching watching him execute a squishy with nearly half their health left.

But nah, let's nerf Evelynn coz her ultimate is so overbearing, right? The fucking dude does more damage with his ultimate than her AND can use it multiple times if he gets the reset.

Let's not forget about the gold he basically creates out of thin air for his team.

My Waifu VanillaOct 11, 20181 votes

Except that isnt true. Eve can not only get people down to the execute threshold on her own (which Pyke cannot do unless hes fed and builds damage which is not at all what this thread is complaining about), but her ult still generally does just as much if not more damage against most targets on the enemy team. Against a Squishy Eve ult is GOING to do true damage with her W+Sudden Impact+Sorc Shoes. It's not unreasonable for her ult to reach upwards of like 800 damage later in the game where Pyke wishes his got that hard without him being made of tissue paper while also on a supports budget.

They are different champions and play like different champions and thus should not be compared to each other. Comparing Pyke ult to Eve ult is like comparing Pyke ult to Urgot ult because they both execute. No matter what Riot initially classified as Pyke is not an assassin and is more in lines with Catchers like Rakan/Thresh. Pyke has mediocre flanks and cant 1v1 anyone so his "assassination" potential is dismal. Pyke fishes for hooks and then E's out because chances are if he stays off his own hook he gets domed by the enemy team because he is squishy as hell especially with a damage build. He then waits for his team to do the dirty work while he presses R. Pyke is nothing in a teamfight without his ult because if he goes for dives with his E on carries he usually dies before anyone gets to the health threshold.

Slim GragasOct 10, 20183 votes

Pyke is a support he should be able to repeatedly execute people, especially early game.

MonstermushmushOct 10, 20183 votes

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Pyke is a support he should be able to repeatedly execute people, especially early game.

I absolutely agree. That is what a balanced champ is supposed to do!

DevotìonOct 11, 20183 votes

Just gut the champion, played against this disgusting tank build and frankly, an assassin should not be able to outsustain nor outtank anyones dps. His q has next to no drawbacks compared to his counterparts. "oh its a channel" but he also has stealth and insane sustain for a support.

RyusaetherOct 11, 20186 votes

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Just gut the champion, played against this disgusting tank build and frankly, an assassin should not be able to outsustain nor outtank anyones dps. His q has next to no drawbacks compared to his counterparts. "oh its a channel" but he also has stealth and insane sustain for a support.

Please this kind of posts are just ridicoulus. Boards literally overexaggerate EVERYTHING.

He doesn't out-dps anyone, he does almost equal dmg as ADC in early phases of lane in short trades (like, say, EVERY SUPPORT) and he can't solo kill anyone in a pure solo 1v1 at almost any phase of the game if not fed. He's slippery, he can be frustrating to face, but his Damage is completely fine looking at his kit and numbers.

InfernapeOct 11, 20181 votes

You know he never said that he out dps's anyone. He said that he shouldn't outsustain said dps.

RyusaetherOct 11, 20181 votes

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You know he never said that he out dps's anyone. He said that he shouldn't outsustain said dps.

I read "outrank", thanks for the clarification.

DevotìonOct 14, 20181 votes

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Please this kind of posts are just ridicoulus. Boards literally overexaggerate EVERYTHING.

He doesn't out-dps anyone, he does almost equal dmg as ADC in early phases of lane in short trades (like, say, EVERY SUPPORT) and he can't solo kill anyone in a pure solo 1v1 at almost any phase of the game if not fed. He's slippery, he can be frustrating to face, but his Damage is completely fine looking at his kit and numbers.

Though you are right that I was tilted after just having faced a pyke before making that post. Your argument had nothing to do with what I had stated as someone else pointed out. Trading with pyke is still a nightmare because he just heals it all back is my main tl;dr.

jocomotionOct 10, 20182 votes

Agreed, hell I love playing Pyke but re-nerfing the early base numbers on his Ult will not only be more fair, but also nerf his tank builds too. (since building HP is less cost effective than building AD in the first place, Tank Pyke relies on base damage to carry him just that much more)

DuskDaUmbreonOct 11, 20182 votes

Unpopular opinion: His early damage on R was too low anyways.

Nerf the flat at other ranks when he would actually have more than his gold item. Nerf his rank 2-5 flat damage on all abilities, tbh. But nerfing rank 1 of his ult doesn't really nerf his tank build, because while that buff is still relevant he doesn't really have any items.

RyusaetherOct 11, 20182 votes

They are already nerfing both his tank build and his lvl scaling by changing his passive HP restore basing on bonus AD instead of being based on lvl, and with no compensation ratios on his abilities. So stop crying about a champ not doing even that much dmg.

He can't stay in a fight like other supports after hooking, he has to stun and go away restoring health and then come back and execute after HIS TEAM has done enough dmg from his play. Him being an execute machine in the right hands is way better than him being an undying slippery hookspammer that can also execute. That's his core ability and the reason why you should pick him, the satisfaction factor of the champ.

Wert the WackyOct 11, 20182 votes

This is an unpopular opinion, but I think the buff was fine. It’s not like it affected late game, and Pyke doesn’t do a whole lot earlier so a minor buff to early game is fine. He certainly doesn’t need more buffs, but he’s not OP now either.

ThiccDaddddyOct 11, 20181 votes

But eve can one shot without it why they nerfed it. Pyke relies on his ult a lot, most of the time you can dodge it. I know a lot of people hate it but it’s not that big of a deal. With Lucian and kai’sa Being top picked adcs he’s almost useless

F Ù ŃOct 12, 20181 votes

Actually, executes are the problem. The new Urgot top lane meta is cancer because of his execute. Garen is oppressive because of his execute, and is only somewhat viable in high elo for that. Eve is known for her charm, e, q, execute. Execute is like a free hand giving kills. It’s easier, and disgusting how u only need to get someone to half health to instantly kill them, while they have an entire freakin health pool to play with

Critmaster GarenOct 12, 20182 votes

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Actually, executes are the problem. The new Urgot top lane meta is cancer because of his execute. Garen is oppressive because of his execute, and is only somewhat viable in high elo for that. Eve is known for her charm, e, q, execute. Execute is like a free hand giving kills. It’s easier, and disgusting how u only need to get someone to half health to instantly kill them, while they have an entire freakin health pool to play with

except that these executes have never been changed, and it was other parts of their kits ad been rightfully buffed as these champs were noticably too weak at the time of thehir buffs. in eves case 90% of her strength is that she can bypass vision and 2 shot squishies with dark harvest auto attacks and then r.

but whatevever fits your narrative i guess.