Make it so you have to stack Hexdrinker

Aazzlano·May 20, 2016·7 votes·822 views

Idk why you have to stack Seekers for a bit more AP/Armor but you can just buy Hexdrinker and invalidate countless champions immediately.

11 Comments

GorgannanMay 20, 20162 votes

Let me just build tons of health while not sacrificing any offensive capabilities at all while still having insane utility on every item. Oh wait, I can't, because I'm AD.

MotrColtMay 20, 20161 votes

This. AD gets more options in terms of items that provide both offensive and defensive stats though they lack health while AP is the opposite they get more items that provide offensive stats and health while they lack the defensive stats.

AazzlanoMay 20, 20161 votes

what? Hexdrinker has 400+ gold worth of health on it for free. Which synergizes with the MR on it. And maw gives ~700 gold of health for free as well.

MotrColtMay 20, 20161 votes

As a short lasting shield, bit different then static health. If you want to use the hexdrinker shield as an argument you also have to consider the zhonya's passive for the otherside which is effectively an infinite shield.

AazzlanoMay 20, 20161 votes

What? Health only matters when you would die. If you have 0 or 3000 bonus health in items it makes no difference until you would have died without the bonus health. It's a FIVE SECOND shield (that is not a short time) and you can still attack while it protects you, unlike Zhonya's. Also, Hexdrinker costs 1300 gold and is perfectly gold efficient WITHOUT the passive and it self scales very hard. It is also very slot efficient in that it upgrades into an item that is even more broken than Hexdrinker itself. Where as you don't get Zhonya's until 3k gold in and it locks you in place, unable to reposition or attack, or do anything. AND it's not even gold efficient. And it doesn't self scale. And it doesn't give you a second passive when you use it which enhances your combat stats even more, without a duration, until out of combat.

The build path for Maw is 10x better than Zhonya's, and the item itself is also much better. Hexdrinker is incredibly impactful and Seeker's is ignorable with a Serrated, which actually also builds into Maw. Convenient! I did the calculations and at level 6, a Brand (extremely high damaging combo mage) needs over 400 AP to burst a level 6 Talon through his Hexdrinker (with no other items) from 100-0, with a perfect combo landing and 6 seconds of passive ticking. That's over 9000 gold in AP required. The item completely invalidates an entire class of champions while being incredibly efficient and buildable in any game they have any kind of magic damage.

Hexdrinker alone at level 6 gives 150 gold less of health/MR than a Spectre's Cowl, A FULL DEFENSIVE ITEM. AND it gives 700 gold in AD. AND the shield completely ignores % health damage, meaning it effectively gives you even MORE survivability vs any kind of % damage. Balanced!

I recently faced a Master/Challenger jungler smurf in one of my Ranked games, who was playing Evelynn. He was 6/0, but I told my team to build Hexdrinkers (I was doing extremely well so I just bought one first item after my jungle item) and our Yasuo and Jinx built it right away. The Evelynn was completely invalidated, he might as well have been AFK. Didn't matter how fed he was, instantly he could not duel or kill any of us. He ended 7/5 from that great start because his champion happened to deal magic damage. Balanced!

GorgannanMay 21, 20161 votes

Gives health on a CD, and it's health you can just pull back and wait to fall off.

AazzlanoMay 21, 20161 votes

Yeah no. In a fight if an AP champion gets a target low, that means that they are either chasing them, or they are fighting them. If they are chasing them, they cannot pull back for 5 seconds and wait for it to drop, then continue. If they are fighting them, they cannot just disengage for 5 seconds then go back in. Either the target is getting away, or the AP champ is getting killed, if they do one of those things. They have to push through the shield which means it is in all relevant situations vs magic damage, bonus health that is unaffected by % health damage.

And if it were so simple as just pulling back and waiting for it to fall off, is that not basically a 5 second Zhonya where the target can still move, still fight back etc. but your opponent cannot affect you? Because that's basically what you are saying.

GorgannanMay 21, 20161 votes

Do you have a stun? Then yes you can just pull back.

Yeah, I guess 100% invulnerability is the same as a decent bubble that I can still go through when I'm fed.

"on a CD"

Stop complaining, you know nothing.

AazzlanoMay 21, 20161 votes

My point was that it is effectively extra health in a fight vs a magic damage champion. If you continue damaging them while they have the shield, then its EXTRA HEALTH. If you have to stun them during it, and you keep damaging them, its still EXTRA HEALTH. If you cannot stun them when it pops, and you have to fight them, it is EXTRA HEALTH. If you have to back off when it pops, because you cannot kill them through it, then it forced you to lose the kill, because of their EXTRA HEALTH. If you are so fed that you can burst through the shield and still kill them, it was still EXTRA HEALTH. If you waited and held your CDs, and couldn't kill them until the shield wore off and you bursted them after, then it was a FIVE SECOND ZHONYA'S that let them MOVE and ATTACK YOU BACK, but you could not attack them or it would just get wasted. For DOUBLE the duration of the actual Zhonya's which you can't do ANYTHING in.

So in EVERY situation its either bonus health, or invulnerability for the duration if you couldn't pierce it. Not to mention Maw gives you more free stats when it pops too, which doesn't wear off until they are completely out of combat. So since it is basically extra bonus health (but better since it can't increase % current/max health damage or factored in for additional % missing health execute damage) it should be treated as such in gold efficiency calculations.

YOU know nothing. That's why you have under a 50% winrate on Zed, who is your second most played, and one of the abusers of Hexdrinker/Maw. That says a LOT considering how broken Zed is.

GorgannanMay 23, 20161 votes

"If you have to stun them during it, and you keep damaging them, "

You stun them and back off you dumb nerd.

"YOU know nothing. That's why you have under a 50% winrate on Zed, who is your second most played, and one of the abusers of Hexdrinker/Maw. That says a LOT considering how broken Zed is." No, I have under a 50% winrate with Zed because I'm bad at AD assassins, and play him because I enjoy him. I also haven't played the game since October until just around last week, so every single Zed game was before "how broken Zed is."

And you're still missing the biggest thing about Maw that isn't a weakness with Seekers. IT'S ON A COOLDOWN. You just like to be mad.

AazzlanoMay 23, 20161 votes

So you're telling me that when they pop the shield, you have to stun them and back off? So essentially they are getting a 5 second Zhonyas where you can't attack them and YOU have to stun them to prevent them from attacking you back? Balanced?

and Hexdrinker's PASSIVE is on a cooldown but the item is completely gold efficient without the passive at all and even then you don't need the passive until it procs which is unlikely to be before its off cd.

you make no sense.