Please fix Twitch.

Emerald Fang··3 votes·380 views

So my 4-man team was pushing down mid, and all of a sudden the world turns black-- oh sorry, the screen. "An ally----" "Enemy QUADRA kill!"

Six basic attacks to get that, and we all had 75+ armor with the twitch having no lethality.

I die in four attacks to him when I have 132 armor... Combine that with a basically useless passive after about 10 minutes because everyone has enough regen to basically counteract this. So he's probably the weirdest ADC right now with a useless passive but this WTF damage that doesn't even seem to make sense. Can we balance this out more?

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Ark Sorcerer1 votes

I think you are confused. Twitches damage comes from his passive. That is what eats away at everyone's health. And I think it does true damage, so armour has no affect on the damage you take.

EDIT: "Twitch's basic attacks infect the target, dealing true damage each second." From LoL's Website. His passive is why your armour was useless. Not to mention Containment, his e, RELIES on his passive to deal damage, the more stacks, the more damage. Everything is focused on his passive. Do you not understand Twitch or are we not on the same book as about your complaint?

Zen Ineth1 votes

Armour has effect on the damage you take, since he still does AD with his basic attacks. The problem lies within the 4% Max HP damage with each attack and the true damage stacking with his passive. He gets about, at max effect, 30 true damage/second, which lasts for about 6 seconds, iirc. So he'll be doing 180 true damage in total with his passive, which isn't too much.

However, to stack that, he has to attack 6 times, which is 24% of your max health, assuming he has Bloodrazer, so you're already at 3/4s of your total health, not including the damage his basic attacks do, which, if he has Infinity Edge, would do 173 damage, without any armor. With standard armor, people have about 70 - 80 armor by natural scaling, so you'd get about 59% damage reduction, so 173*59% = 102.07, so you took about 612 damage from basic attacks.

Right there, you're down by 1/4 health, having been dealt 612 AD and 180 true damage. Then comes the expunge. Expunge (or Contaminate as it's known now) does 80 base damage + 35 damage per stack, so with 6 stacks, you'll take 290 damage without scaling damage. The damage as a whole doesn't scale, it's a per-stack scaling. So, with 173 AD, scaling by 25% with each stack, you get 43.25, which we round down to 43. That's an extra 260 damage, so his E does 550 damage overall, not counting armor. (If you counted armor, you'd only be dealt 150 AD in scaling.)

So, 612 damage plus 550 damage from expunge is 1172 damage, plus his passive 180 brings you to a grand total of 1352. His passive dealt about 13% of the total damage he did to a single target. So, his damage isn't dealt primarily through his passive, no. It just gives a nice amount of damage to supplement the rest of his damage.

(This is all without reducing the Bloodrazer damage due to armour. If you want an accurate measurement of how quickly he killed OP, we need to know the details of OP's match)

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Okay. I like your math and everything. I trust you did your research so I will not go against what you said.

While I do not know the champion you used, I do know that mages, supports (if not tank supports), assassins and other marksmen would die from damages as you stated. Granted, he would need more than 6 auto attacks, as I think most champs exceed 1352 HP, it is still enough to kill your mid laner for sure, non tank support, and marksman. It is then the matter of the jungler and top lane being the tank or not. As the marksmen, Twitch should have attack speed, so I think getting more than 6 auto attacks should not be a challenge.

With the armour you stated you had, 75 I believe, that sounds like base armour + one item at best. A mage can get Zyhona's Hourglass and achieve that armour (about I do believe. Basing this on my own matches but I have scaling armour in my runes for mid lane mages, so not the most accurate). So I do not believe that 75 is much. I want to know how do you know that your allies had he same amount of armour but details.

Back to Twitch. Okay, so his passive does do as much damage as I thought originally (Thanks about that) but Contaminate still relies on his passive. The true damage is annoying when you survived his encounter but still have to deal with his poison while having low health.

EDIT: Just realized you were not the player that made the board. Make all pronoun you and your (possessive, actually) with 3rd person pronouns and possessive words.

Zen Ineth1 votes

Well, the armour I used is Base Armour at level 17. Of course people are going to have more, but the difference between 75 armour and 120 (which is what Zhonya's would give) isn't too great. 75 armour would give you 41% damage reduction, and 120 armour would give you 55% damage reduction. It's 14% more, but still not as much as you might think.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Fair enough.

Would be nice to know the match of this games experience to actually aply everything you are saying.

Zen Ineth1 votes

Hey OP, can we get details of your match? Which Champion were you, and about which level were you when Twitch did that?

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