Kindred both in top and bot lanes is pretty... unreasonable. Her healing makes it hard to trade with her (especially since it's costless healing), and her W and E give her loads of damage early. These were meant to be used against jungle monsters, not in duels early. Kinda got stomped by one as Rumble top-lane just now, and there was NOTHING that could be done to outplay it.
Tone it down a little, would you Riot?
Swollwonder2 votesUh no
no no no no no
Kindred in bot lane is terrible. Almost every adc can not only out trade her but out range her
Top lane I could agree but its not any different from quinn top and quinn hasnt been nerfed.
darkdill1 votesIt's even more obnoxious than Quinn because Kindred doesn't have skillshots, and has 3 damage abilities to Quinn's 2. One of them also does % of max health, making it even better against juggernauts.
Also, Kindred + Heal. You do the math.
Swollwonder1 votesYeah its still awful. Even then it gets traded out by late game with the fact you have almost no stacks. If your team mates arent doing good you arent getting into the enemy jungle to stack.
You can play kindred adc but you sure arent carrying
OperationDEEZ11 voteshttps://youtu.be/BLqMX8Ro-m0?t=36 not true
OperationDEEZ12 votesOn the contrary, how do we do it without neutering her jungling? Where she was meant to be? That's where things get difficult. Balancing is -unsurprisingly- pretty damn hard.
360D3GR3SS1 votesI feel they will just end up giving her the yasuo shield nerf treatment. More units traveled to get the heal.
darkdill2 votesOr make it so that it can't be procced on minions. Force the risk onto Kindred if she wants to heal.
360D3GR3SS1 votesI was thinking that too, I was just lazy to see if that was already the case lol.
Lord Dusteon2 votesOr make it so that it can't be procced on minions. Force the risk onto Kindred if she wants to heal.
That massively weakens a short ranged carries mid and late game and gimps Kindred throughout most of the game.
Directly on topic, I don't think Kindred is a problem in top or bot lane. In top lane her extreme fragility, short range, and requirement of extended fights means unless she starts snowballing hard she's going to be useless (unless ahead can't get neutral monster marks, unless ahead can't get champion marks). Additionally almost every top laner can destroy her if played correctly due to Kindred's lack of hard CC, short range, and squishiness (most top laners can either dive her, poke harder, or ignore most of her damage). Bot lane she has it even worse, as there her short range goes from a liability to a deathwish. She doesn't have poke or a great escape, and her short range means any adc can bully her from out of range (or just bully her in range, as Kindred is even more item reliant than most adcs).
darkdill1 votesBy that point, Kindred generally has lifesteal, so she doesn't need her innate heal as much.
Madkhatz1 voteslaning kindred is really weak. Easily ganked, easily killed. She can mark a bot lane target, but with each kill on the same target, the longer the cd on the mark. Also she can't wander to kill Wolf's marks. Meaning her passive isn't scaling. Which kills her late game hard. A jungle kindred will out dmg a lane kindred any day.
Also easily ganked, due to low range, and if you cut off her escape she can't hope out of it. Add further to that. The innate heal is a static shiv. It heals decent, but Kindred is squishy. Another thing to add. Is her E becomes weaker late game with less passive stacks, while a normal adc will get stronger by just gear.
Addition most adc use crit for max dmg, kindred isn't big on crit. So if her E is down she's SOL. I find if your laning aginst a kindred, communicate with your jungler, when she's over pushed, cut off her escape and beat her to death.
My last game had a kindred top. I was jungle kindred. Ganked her at 2 after the blue, by route of tri bushs. Rene was our top. Shut her down easily... she got 2 marks. by the time I had 4. She was stuck top lane while I farmed wolf's marks and the lanes.
As a jungler Kindred is going to be more sustainable early game then most ADC's, But as she sits in bot, not roaming her end game potential goes down.... and once she falls behind its hard for her to keep up. She's also VERY team comp depedent. If your team has no lock down or front line. She will get destroyed..
In closing, she also has mana issues. No mana, no E, no dmg, a normal adc will auto attack you to death. Since she's not farming her stacks her dmg autos are crap.
It's no different then a olaf lane, a xerath lane, or even a zed wit his countess dodges and no mana, aka akali.