I really want more vanguard that rotate their spells and a hit and run duel potential. I just want to murder those dravens... and hopefully the champion has a built in grievous wound just to shutdown deathdance.
Sahn Uzal2 votesPersonally crossing my fingers for a Vanguard that'll have a skill ceiling. I enjoy being the tank, I really do, but I also enjoy feeling like I can always keep getting better at the champion. Sion is what I would use as an example here.
taleofsonata1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g0HQANqb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-05T17:40:40.348+0000)
Personally crossing my fingers for a Vanguard that'll have a skill ceiling. I enjoy being the tank, I really do, but I also enjoy feeling like I can always keep getting better at the champion. Sion is what I would use as an example here.
I want a champion that has CC and Damage just like gragas, and is not just look I'm tanky and I do no damage and I'm just a health potion for adc's.
Wet Dryman1 votesAll I hope is that he won't be next CC Bot (as other modern Tanks) or that he won't be gated by boring delays but some other conditions (even if it will be: "hit 2 skillshots to CC someone" it'll be more unique than entire Vanguard roster).
KoKoboto1 votesGragas is a pretty toxic champion. I hope is not like Gragas the safest "tank" that has hard burst from range so doesn't even need to risk anything.
I also hope that they're complex, we've been getting so many simple champions bleh.
taleofsonata1 votesA toxic champion that is popular in every season? even when was super nerf? Gragas is popular amongs pro for a reason they love his playstyle. He is soo fun to play that he even has a skin based on a pro player that loves playing him.
Wet Dryman1 votesToxic champions can be popular and are picked in pro play, your definition of toxic is not that of KoKoboto's.
Not saying that Gragas is entirely toxic (well he kinda is because of all that unnecessary CC he has) but he's salvageable with minor changes.
KoKoboto1 votesHe's popular because he's busted and played in LCS.
Wet Dryman1 votesTank Gragas deals no damage with just Q and R, most of his damage is in his W and E.
KoKoboto1 votesTank Gragas builds 
and that's all the damage he needs to be B U S T E D T O X I C .
Wet Dryman1 votesThis item is built only for mid game damage amplifying, he pays for that with less tankiness (he actually is squishy as hell with that untill he completes iceborn and spirit visage). It's damage is nonexistent once people earn like 15th level and Gragas is less tanky than other Tanks that build Cinderhulk during that time as well.
For those reasons currently most pro and high elo players don't even bother buying this, Cinderhulk is a way to go now.
And by the way: the subject was that Tank Gragas hard bursts people from range which is untrue.
Ralanr1 votesWell he's supposed to be a top laner, so possibly.