Thank you. (She has felt weaker after the TP nerfs) These aren't too game breaking for her and her kit, and they at least boost some of her last hitting capabilities. Any reason why you are giving her these buffs? She is pretty binary so it is a shock that she isn't waiting for a rework/kit update.
RiotMeddler10 votesWe think there might be some room for small changes to her so we're trying out some light stuff. She does still have some issues with excessively binary, hard to respond to performance though as you say. I expect we'll want to make more significant changes someday (long term) as a result.
SaltyKracka1 votesEh, at least the power is in the only bit of her kit that takes any amount of skill.
HadesBlades6 votesI don't think Katarina has low skill, she actually has a decent learning curve when players have played her long enough. Considering we smash our keys so fast players have to adapt to which people to target in quick response times, I think she takes more skill then some people think.
Vekkna2 votesShe takes a lot more skill than people think because people don't appreciate anything other than aiming and resource management.
HadesBlades4 votesHopefully you guys keep these light buffs considering they help her laning which desperately needed help! Hopefully later towards the end of the year during the assassin update you guys can brain storm so she isn't too kit related to Diana and Akali! But these are very nice beginning points to work with! Thank you for your response and insight :D
ModWulf Helhammer3 votesWhat would you guys think of letting her E get a range increase to targets marked with Bouncing Blades?
Poptart Evelynn4 votesWhat would you guys think of letting her E get a range increase to targets marked with Bouncing Blades?
This would make her too strong.
HadesBlades2 votesI would say just revert the unnecessary nerf on Kata's E damage and she will almost decent. Until anything she would need a kit rework for the increase E range to be viable she is just too binary atm :/
La Bello2 votesWe think there might be some room for small changes to her so we're trying out some light stuff. She does still have some issues with excessively binary, hard to respond to performance though as you say. I expect we'll want to make more significant changes someday (long term) as a result.
Ive been pushing for a Katarina rework for so long x.x you have no idea how happy hearing this makes me.Its nice to see one of the big mascots of LoL finally getting some love.
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N00B PWN3R2 votesWe think there might be some room for small changes to her so we're trying out some light stuff. She does still have some issues with excessively binary, hard to respond to performance though as you say. I expect we'll want to make more significant changes someday (long term) as a result.
You said down the line you guys will do an Assassin update. Is Zed the only healthy Assassin atm? So all other Assassins wil get kit changes?
Crossette3 votesDid you just call Zed a healthy assassin?
SnugglePuggle945 votesZed is NOT healthy. Are you blind? A "healthy assassin" that isn't even really classified as a assassin is Diana. Not Zed.
N00B PWN3R3 votesRiots opinion > yours. Zed is a healthy Assassin.
SnugglePuggle944 votesLOL no.
N00B PWN3R2 votesLOL yes.
SnugglePuggle944 votesJust no. He is not healthy. If you think that fine, but doesn't change the fact that he is overpowered.
N00B PWN3R3 votesJust yes. That is exactly what riot thinks and says, Zed is the most healthy Assassin in the game :)
SnugglePuggle944 votesI think you are delusional.
ModWulf Helhammer2 votesFrom a pure assassin perspective, yes, Zed is the healthiest. His burst is tied to his ult, which can be removed or negated by several items, as well as it being completely stopped because of how telegraphed it is
SnugglePuggle942 votesNo. LOL. Just no.
I'm not going to argue any further so don't bother trying too. I'm laughing right now at how you two both think he is the healthiest. He is far from it.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesCan you explain how he isn't?
SnugglePuggle942 voteslol no because I'm tired of talking with Zed mains, and anything I say you will probably argue against, hence why I said I'm not arguing any further.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesI have never played Zed at all. Ever.
And since you refuse to offer a reason, all you look like is salty and just hates Zed, not bothering to think why you might be losing to him
SithesisLord2 votesTake it from a Kayle main who has extensively been against Zeds. And won every time.
The mains are right. His burst is tied to his ult. Without it, he can´t do much. Sure he can farm, but so can everyone else.
I can´t say he is a healthy assassin, or the healthiest amongst them, but he sure isn´t overpowered, as you say.
Also, 'LOL no' hardly counts as a viable argument/counter-argument.
SnugglePuggle942 votesWhat a rude assumption you got there lol I do have reasons. Just tired of having to repeat them.
I'm not salty, and haven't lost to a Zed in a long time. Stop being rude and making wrong assumptions.
SnugglePuggle942 votesMaybe you've won with Kayle, but that's just because her ult is an extra counter to him. It's hard to kill him with her. I'm sure any smart Zed would not sit under her E enough to be kited.
He can burst plenty enough without his ult.
I've been laughing at these people by saying "lol no." Not using them as a counter argument. Learn to read.
And yes, he is overpowered.
N00B PWN3R1 votesThink what you want, I don't care about the opinions of low elo players.
SnugglePuggle942 votesWow. How rude. "Low elo" players have valuable opinions. You need to respect them.
N00B PWN3R1 votesNope, all opinions from people who are not diamond 3-2-1 or higher are meaningless and valueless to me.
SnugglePuggle941 votesIf you think that, then you have an awful personality and way of thinking.
N00B PWN3R1 votesDoesn't matter since your opinion of me doesn't matter to me.
SnugglePuggle941 votesIt should. You're an awful person.
Hentai Overlord1 votesBoth of you guys are dumb "noob pwn3r" is only lev 15 so don't argue with him, and I don't think he should give any opinions about anything because because of his lev. (I do know both of you guys are arguing like children and none of you have said any real evidence/reason to your guys "argument")
TacoTheKitten2 votesI feel kata has a fairly healthy design as far as goals for an assassin. Like, she's rewarded for diving in and getting a kill. Then she gets a reset that lets her either go back in or escape out (ward hop).
SnugglePuggle942 votesShe definitely is more healthy than Zed is, that's for sure.
DevMpa13 votesnowone ever remembers us :
Poptart Evelynn2 votesWe think there might be some room for small changes to her so we're trying out some light stuff. She does still have some issues with excessively binary, hard to respond to performance though as you say. I expect we'll want to make more significant changes someday (long term) as a result.
I really think that Kat cooldowns should be reset to 1 second(except for shunpo) on kills and not 0 to fix the "hard to respond to performance".
FacerollKatarina1 votesWe think there might be some room for small changes to her so we're trying out some light stuff. She does still have some issues with excessively binary, hard to respond to performance though as you say. I expect we'll want to make more significant changes someday (long term) as a result.
I love the changes but hopefully this is it until the significant changes because the last thing we need is kata being meta again ;-;
MissMikasa1 votesI rather have Kat be meta again rather than what's going on now.
FacerollKatarina1 votesI rather have Kat be meta again rather than what's going on now.
She was meta and look where it got her
MissMikasa1 votesShe got nerfed significantly than the ADC/AD assassin meta came. Plus with all the CC now a days she's pretty weak. I want the meta she was in before rather than this.
Poptart Evelynn4 votesI'm so excited. This is so big to us Kat players :D
HadesBlades2 votes:D soon I hope for a rework/kit change but until then I am presently in bliss
Kaedwen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Poptart Kat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fzQtQYvk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-09T22:59:58.894+0000)
I'm so excited. This is so big to us Kat players :D
Yessss!!!! I haven't been able to play her in so long because she's just so weak now x-x
Hayaishi22 votesHow can the balance team even think buffing this abomination...
Shinirup1 votesAnd all those who play ARAM cry.
EvilRabbitt3 votes:D Then you realize, Kat's pretty weak compared to the other options. D: then you pray you don't get one.
Shinirup1 votes:D Then you realize, Kat's pretty weak compared to the other options. D: then you pray you don't get one.
Not really. It depends who she is against. She is OP unless someone has a like short CD insta stun who actually knows how to save it for Kat. Even her daggers hurt with Ludens given everyone is bunched on ARAM, and the laning phase is irrelevant.