"Shaco killing people from stealth doesn't give them enough time to react"

L Psy Kongroo·Dec 14, 2016·2 votes·489 views

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Luxs DestinyDec 14, 20161 votes

They literally hit their mark with the assassin updates, yet they complain about it (EVEN THOUGH THE BOARDS HAVE BEEN RIFE WITH THREADS THAT AREN'T COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE ASSASSINS, IN FACT PEOPLE WERE ASKING FOR BUFFS FOR SOME) and take action into their own hands, nerfing something that didn't need to be touched unless snowballing early was a large problem. (Which, it wouldn't be, considering Shaco has zero potential to snowball early with the Q invis time nerf that they introduced to balance out the power in his kit when they reworked it.)

Wind234Dec 14, 20161 votes

'Cept now Rengar has an indicator that tells you when he's close while he's ulted, complete with a sound effect and your screen even gains red edges. Shaco has none of that. And both of them are getting nerfed, so...

L Psy KongrooDec 14, 20161 votes

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'Cept now Rengar has an indicator that tells you when he's close while he's ulted, complete with a sound effect and your screen even gains red edges. Shaco has none of that. And both of them are getting nerfed, so...

None of that matters when Rengar still deletes you in 0.3 seconds anyway. Knowing you're about to die doesn't change the fact that you're going to die. Also, Rengar's nerfs are a slap on the wrist compared to Shaco's, especially considering Shaco's primary playstyle, AD assassin, was nerfed heavily with the original update.

Wind234Dec 14, 20161 votes

I'll concede that Rengar's nerfs aren't as heavy as Shaco's. But that's because Shaco needs them more. When you know Rengar is coming at you, you have the time to react before he even reaches you. Stay by your turret, prepare your CC, place down a vision ward, whatever the case, you know he's coming and you can stop him. If he gets on top of you, then he's going to burst you down because you let him. People don't have an excuse for letting Rengar get on top of them anymore because it's telegraphed. Granted, I still don't like fighting Rengar because a good Rengar is scary, but at least I see him coming. He might be a bit too strong when he does jump on you, but you have the chance to stop him from even doing that.

Shaco, on the other hand, will literally appear out of nowhere with no warning and ruin your day. He has a fear, a slow, invisibility, can place his boxes anywhere, and his clone. Considering just how much utility his kit has, him being able to burst you on top of that leaves absolutely no room to do anything to him. Even if you catch him out, he can just use his clone and get away - and his clone now spawns boxes when it dies, so that's even more utility and damage on top of that. Rengar's ONLY job is to kill you - if he can't do that, then he's literally useless. But Shaco can be camped (or counter-jungled) all game, and still have something to offer just because of how much utility is in his kit right now. Shaco is actually performing BETTER than Rengar right now. https://www.champion.gg/champion/Shaco/Jungle https://www.champion.gg/champion/Rengar/Jungle

Yeah, AD Shaco took a hit and it's not really as common anymore. I think that's why a lot of Shaco players are angry right now and I get that. They did that to Kog'Maw and I've been having a hard time playing him because of it. But that doesn't change that AP Shaco is doing extremely well right now, to the point of being oppressive. He deserves the AP nerfs he's getting.