What if Ruby Sightstone increased the range on your…

L Psy Kongroo · 2017-01-02T15:08:00.655Z

In the mid-late game, it's extremely risky to constantly walk into dark parts of the map to drop wards. However this creates the paradoxical situation of "I need to ward, but our lack of wards makes it too dangerous for me to ward". Going to ward as a support should not be so risky, especially when 90% of throws happen because people get caught out. Supports should be rewarded (tee hee, pun) for doing their job properly. So I was thinking, what if Ruby Sightstone, the Sightstone upgrade item, increased the range on your ability to ward by, say, 30%? The exact number is debatable, but the point is warding would no longer be so much of a gamble in an already snowbally game. And for those thinking "well, this is what blue trinkets are for!" think again, because supports almost never buy that trinket. They almost always buy the red one in order to control vision for the team, taking out opposing wards around key places on the map.

OleandervineJan 2, 201718 votes

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Then it would force people to upgrade into Ruby, and the benefits from the eye items would be outweighed.

The changes to Face of the Mountain already made Eye of Targon invalid when compared to the double shield of the Face. I almost never buy the Eye of Targon on any champ I buy Relic Shield on. Plus, the reduction of active cooldowns on Ruby pairs all too well with the Face, Redemption, Locket, and Zz'Rot.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20174 votes

Yeah, but that's an imbalance between the tank versions. Tank supps already synergize better with the health from ruby but they aren't the ones getting blown up in the fog.

It's the squishy casters that blow up.

L Psy KongrooJan 2, 20172 votes

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Yeah, but that's an imbalance between the tank versions. Tank supps already synergize better with the health from ruby but they aren't the ones getting blown up in the fog.

It's the squishy casters that blow up.

On the contrary, I think this change would give squishy caster supports an incentive to upgrade Ruby earlier because the extra HP would protect them from getting blown up as fast. Tanks might get more use out of the stats, but 500 HP is nothing to sneeze at if you're someone like Lulu or Janna running into who knows what just to get a ward down.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20175 votes

Yeah gimme that 100hp for 800 extra gold. Sounds good. Way better than 800g worth of AP/cdr. /s

L Psy KongrooJan 2, 201710 votes

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Yeah gimme that 100hp for 800 extra gold. Sounds good. Way better than 800g worth of AP/cdr. /s

You'd also get item active CDR, more wards, and increased warding range. As a support, you shouldn't have to worry about buying lots of AP unless you're Brand or Vel'koz.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20173 votes

At the cost of dropping an item. Which to drop: item 3107 item 3117 item 2301 item 3190 ( item 3504 / item 3222 <--eventually both) item 2055 ?

5000000000000000Jan 2, 20174 votes

Definitely eye of the watcher. You don't need extra AP for slightly larger shield when you have a shit ton of heals/shields already and all the heal/shield booster.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20172 votes

But then you lose 10% cdr on your spells <--HUGE, the gold income passive, and the mana regen (so you'll need to back regardless).

5000000000000000Jan 2, 20174 votes

item 3069 item 3107 item 2045 item 3009 item 3190 and item 3504 / item 3222 I'd usually go like this, so dropping either Mikael's or Ardent Censer, I guess. Probably Ardent Censer.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20173 votes

If that's your pref then more power to ya; you at least thought through your build, and you made up for the cdr elsewhere and know you're making a trade 'cause you won't be able to buy one of item 3504 / item 3222 'till super late due to the item 2055 spot.

I really came here to make sure the people with pitchforks don't try to nuke the eye items.

5000000000000000Jan 2, 20172 votes

I think you actually have a pretty good point. The Eye isn't as bad as I previously thought. I'd still not get it because I really want the extra tankiness and MS boost from Talisman, and I can't really make use of Spellthief's.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20171 votes

^^ I think they did a good job if we're able to argue like this about the supp items. I had forgotten the item 2053 passive on the item 3069 rework too. How busted is that on Janna hmm?

5000000000000000Jan 2, 20172 votes

Uncatchable lmao And the active gives you some very small engage power that you lack. It's still not great on its own, but it can help your teammates use their engage by helping them gapclose.

Mecha MaIphiteJan 2, 20173 votes

Not really. The benefits aren't that significant, and are only really useful mid to late when getting caught out is a lot more punishing. Besides, it's better than leaving it as it is, where nobody builds it unless they're finished the rest of their build.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20174 votes

Ruby is good when you have a lot of actives to apply the cdr to, but its hard to fit since it takes up an extra slot. and the tanks get it since item 2045 + item 3401 > item 2303

Mecha MaIphiteJan 2, 20173 votes

But nobody gets it early. If you look at all the most frequent builds on support, they have item 2049 instead of item 2045 , because the game usually doesn't go on for long enough for them to want it. Pretty much nobody buys these items item 2303 item 2302 item 2301 anyway.

If you took it out of the game and just left item 2049 , it wouldn't make a difference. The only reason to ever get it right now is because there's nothing left to build.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20175 votes

Nobody gets it early because who in their right mind would spend 800g on 100hp and 20% item cdr before they have other items. Plenty of people get the item later in the game though, even 3rd item apparently: http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/items/support/all It's fine right now.

AhristocatsJan 2, 20175 votes

item 3107

LostFr0stJan 2, 20174 votes

? we're talking between item 2045 + item 3092 / item 3069 / item 3401 and item 2301 / item 2302 / item 2303

Nobody is going to argue about getting item 3107 ; it's basically core on every supp right now.

macromiteJan 2, 20171 votes

most of the eye items are trash anyway. fuck man one of them could well be deleted and no one would care.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20171 votes

Yeah, I loved using up 3 slots instead of 2 by default with item 3098 + item 2049 + item 2055 .
Gimme it back. Rito plz.

macromiteJan 2, 20171 votes

I like supports that have additional vision capacity. OR have a really good shield OR have a really strong movement speed boost. In addition to ward power Over the ones that don't

LostFr0stJan 2, 20173 votes

Yeah, but you give up a potential shield/ms boost item spot by taking up three slots with item 3401 / item 3092 / item 3069 + item 2045 + item 2055 instead of 2 with item 2301 +

can only place 3 sight wards regardless.

macromiteJan 2, 20174 votes

no you don't. are you stupid? Fotm gives a shield, it doesn't remove a shield slot. Talisman gives ms boost, it doesn't remove an ms boost slot. and frost queens claim is a slow and also a very strong vision item.

The only way you end up losing slot efficiency is when you buy the stupid eye items, because then you lose out on the really powerful effect of having a lower cooldown on item actives.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20174 votes

well... that escalated quickly.

All I'm saying is that the eye items are physically more gold efficient faster than the tier three supp items (maybe with the exception of face), plus they free up a slot. To me, that's worth.

So we're just going to have to agree to disagree then. Good luck on the rift.

macromiteJan 2, 20173 votes

I'm saying that they eye items are all trash and there is one of them that could be deleted.

They have their purpose of course, you get them on characters that are "supporting" like a brand or an annie. those characters don't want any support items in their build, so minimizing the slots for support items is good for them. However actual supports that want to spend their gold on actual support items should pretty much always steer clear of them.

I mean think As an example if you are a support tank, what is better. item 3190 A shield OR item 3401 Two shields.

By taking the eye you can no longer get the extra shield.

Also, getting the eyes don't give extra slots at all. you have the same number of slots. I mean lets compare if we go full support with frost queens or the eye.

item 3092 item 2045 item 3107 item 3158 item 3190 item 3222 item 2301 item 3504

going with the eye makes you lose out on spooky ghosts, which is a very powerful ability in and out of fights, it makes you lose out on the item active cdr, which makes all of your other items slightly less effective, and you can carry one less ward with you after you leave base, which means you need to back more often. but you got the ardent boost, which in terms of power is slightly weaker than spooky ghosts, due to its lower capacity to assist your team as a whole.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20172 votes

That's not where the eye items shine though. Forget the item 3504 specifically. They shine because of item 2055 .

the real trade is actually: item 3092 item 2045 item 3107 item 3158 item 3190 item 2055 item 3222 item 2301

That's the thing that needs solving.

macromiteJan 2, 20171 votes

thing is, here's the trick control wards become less useful as the game progresses because you don't need it for vision or for clearing vision. item 3364 this is your vision clearing tool.

LostFr0stJan 2, 20172 votes

item 2055 becomes more important later since your teamates no longer have space for them. You need lvl 9 for item 3364 and it has a cd and no cast range so you have to "micro-facecheck" to use it. Need both and .

macromiteJan 2, 20171 votes

but you don't. place the control in a place before you get full build and it will sit there, it's why it doesn't have a duration.

LostFr0stJan 3, 20172 votes

and when they clear it or you need to move it to a new objective?

What if Ruby Sightstone increased the range on your ability to drop wards?

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