Some sensible buffs to Shyvana

Mira Arya Enthe··60 votes·2,990 views

Hello there. I just was looking over generally what happens in the average Shyvana game, not just mine but watching high tier Diamond or greater players. And I was thinking about what would be sensible changes or buffs to her that would make her highly viable again without increasing her damage or tankiness(as those would break her).

At first I thought adding a slow was the solution, or some other CC. But with how toxic the slow motion meta has become, I decided that was anti-fun for people playing against her, she already has great chase, not being able to escape her wouldn't be the answer. These are the three changes I would make, perhaps Riot can consider them while looking into her.


Ultimate: This one many people have complained about. Make it unstoppable. If a little police girl with fists, a warrior orc, a ghost horsey, a rock man, a mad redneck yordle and others are not stopped by the first Caitlyn trap, Jinx trap, Veigar stun or pebble they trip over, neither should a massive dragon. Especially one who's post 6 ganks are not amazing to begin with, and pre 6 barely exists. It's her only gap closer, she needs it to work.

Another option is to possibly fix it's hitbox so you don't look dumb when you go to push the enemy towards your allies and instead 'miss' them, leaping away from the kills like a moron. This hitbox has received complaints since her release.


Make her W tick for one quarter damage every quarter second. This is mostly QoL, and a slight buff. The feeling of the super slow ticks is awful in clear, awful in fights and just awful. It also occasionally makes her easier to escape due to the fact that a tick doesn't go off before the enemy steps out of it.


Very very important! Add a roar emote to her dragon form, this will make her meta again for sure!


Then see where she is before making any other changes.

73 Comments

Mistress Shyvana21 votes

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TyrekGoldenspear9 votes

Name checks out.

TyrekGoldenspear9 votes

One buff I would suggest would be an AP scaling on her E health shred. (A small one though)

That way her E feels more meaningful and rewarding once you land it.

50000000000000001 votes

How would increased AP scaling reward landing her abilities when she builds little to no AP?

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Some of the items she builds gives her AP, so the little AP she buys doesnt go to waste.

JDB8eoX8x07 votes

Just make it so that Shyvana can use her E while moving. You won't believe how many kills I lost because I needed the E extra damage but couldn't keep up with my target because Shyvana just stands still for 0,25 seconds everytime she uses it. It's a minor issue, but it often costs me kills.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

My god, that is a perfect QoL buff.

Phoenix Kotori 4 votes

Shyvana use to be one of my favorite secondary mains, but after devourer was killed and she was nerfed, she's been awful, I've barely played her since then.

Personally I wish they'd revert the early game Q nerf from 6.6

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Phoenix Kotori ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fvL0nzEe,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-10-09T01:31:00.996+0000)

Shyvana use to be one of my favorite secondary mains, but after devourer was killed and she was nerfed, she's been awful, I've barely played her since then.

Personally I wish they'd revert the early game Q nerf from 6.6

Would also be nice. But I'd take functional ult and QoL on W first personally.

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

I'd take the ult change over it for sure she desperately needs it, I am iffy on the need for the W QoL being that high though.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Phoenix Kotori ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fvL0nzEe,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2016-10-09T01:43:38.259+0000)

I'd take the ult change over it for sure she desperately needs it, I am iffy on the need for the W QoL being that high though.

Maybe maybe. I am really passionate about smoothing dots in general. Tick... tick... systems are extremely outdated.

Sanctimonious4 votes

I think the buffs you propose would put her in a much better spot, and have her feeling great. As someone who mained her in S4 / S5 these things would be great and problably wouldn't push her over the edge. She definitely needs a love top.

Dracocrash3 votes

WHy do people thing shyvanna needs buffs?

Mira Arya Enthe16 votes

[{quoted}](name=NoganksOnlyFarm ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fvL0nzEe,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-10-08T22:14:56.346+0000)

WHy do people thing shyvanna needs buffs?

Because she has been around a 48% win rate with only a 2.5% or less pick rate and a .3% ban rate since her main item was removed?

Dracocrash6 votes

Having a low banrate is not a bad thing, it just means the champion is healthy.

I just realized how mindlessly people upvote random statistics.

NO, shyvanna does not have a 48% winrate. Her winrate is very close 50% and has been hovering between 49.5-50.5% in the last few patches

she has a little more than half the pick rate of the average jungler, simply means she is not a popular champ right now. (the average jungler has a 4.08% pick rate)

Just because she is unpopular you cant buff her. lol.

Sources for my statistics (http://champion.gg/champion/Shyvana)

call me crazy, but when a champs winrate is hovering around 50% I think they are balanced.

Mira Arya Enthe7 votes

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Having a low banrate is not a bad thing, it just means the champion is healthy.

I just realized how mindlessly people upvote random statistics.

NO, shyvanna does not have a 48% winrate. Her winrate is very close 50% and has been hovering between 49.5-50.5% in the last few patches

she has a little more than half the pick rate of the average jungler, simply means she is not a popular champ right now. (the average jungler has a 4.08% pick rate)

Just because she is unpopular you cant buff her. lol.

Sources for my statistics (http://champion.gg/champion/Shyvana)

call me crazy, but when a champs winrate is hovering around 50% I think they are balanced.

Win rates aren't everything. Champion tier lists written for pro play and high level play say a lot more. In every tier list I have checked she has been considered the lowest or second to lowest tier since devourer was removed. Her winrate is about even because she is only being used by one tricks and very very very situational picks. A low skill cap champion like Shyvana should average a higher win rate than 50% because they are easier to play on people who first pick them up, as such more people will win games with them regardless of practice level. Also having one of the lowests ban rates and dropping, and below average playrates and dropping. Means they aren't worth picking or banning. Despite being simple to play.

That isn't healthy, it is useless.

DunkinNoobs4 votes

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A low skill cap champion like Shyvana should average a higher win rate than 50%

Shyvana is not low skillcap, and neither is Nunu or Udyr for that matter. Far more than mechanical difficulty goes into a champions skillcap. Shyvana has arguably one of the higher jungle skillcaps in the game simply because she's a control jungler and that's the most difficult kind of jungler to play. Want evidence? http://imgur.com/a/3zpQZ

That's the highest skill curve for a jungler in the whole damn game. The only one that's even close is Kindred, who is another control jungler.

IPromiseTomorrow2 votes

Oh yeah I've seen that chart on other champs. I remember seeing Players with 125+ games put into Aurelion Sol and they had a 70+WR.

Not gonna lie I was planning to abuse Sol just so I could get that winrate.

DunkinNoobs2 votes

Apdo himself said that Aurelion Sol mains were a bunch of boosted monkeys who could reach Challenger with Plat level skills because the champ was just that broken.

IPromiseTomorrow1 votes

I heard that to. Good thing he was nerfed because players could've just used him for freelo.

Masala Chai2 votes

That's still not high enough for the bar that you set for other champions.

According to this board, Kalista needs more nerfs; let me remind you that Kalista has the lowest winrate in the game (now at 31.61%), lowest pickrate (seen once in every 200 games), the lowest banrate in the game, and is outdamaged by many tanks. Let me remind you that the statistical winrate for a 4v5 for 10-15 minutes is 35%. That means it's better for your ADC Caitlyn to afk for 10 minutes than it is for you to even PICK Kalista.

Shyvana can stay the way she is as long as 10% of the roster suffer even more than her.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Full Moon Ace,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fvL0nzEe,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2016-10-09T01:59:32.853+0000)

That's still not high enough for the bar that you set for other champions.

According to this board, Kalista needs more nerfs; let me remind you that Kalista has the lowest winrate in the game (now at 31.61%), lowest pickrate (seen once in every 200 games), the lowest banrate in the game, and is outdamaged by many tanks. Let me remind you that the statistical winrate for a 4v5 for 10-15 minutes is 35%. That means it's better for your ADC Caitlyn to afk for 10 minutes than it is for you to even PICK Kalista.

Shyvana can stay the way she is as long as 10% of the roster suffer even more than her.

That is some serious salt man. I never commented on Kalista. You might want to check your blood pressure, you are carrying too much on your shoulder.

Masala Chai2 votes

you indirectly commented on it by suggesting buffs for a Tier 2 Jungler when Kalista, Azir, Aatrox and Taliyah (all of which are newer releases) rot in gutters without ever seeing the light of a rework for AT LEAST 2 years.

THE RlVER KlNG3 votes

Comapred to Tahm Kench, with sub 47% winrates and a pick rate of less than one percent. But I get downvoted when I try to bring it up.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fvL0nzEe,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2016-10-09T03:18:42.155+0000)

Comapred to Tahm Kench, with sub 47% winrates and a pick rate of less than one percent. But I get downvoted when I try to bring it up.

Well that sounds like a Tahm Kench issue. I agree he needs some help though. But it has nothing to do with Shyvana.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

Well I wish there were more people like you then because there is this irrational hatred of Tahm Kench on the boards and I get downvoted to hell every time I bring him up

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fvL0nzEe,comment-id=00010000000200000000,timestamp=2016-10-09T03:48:22.906+0000)

Well I wish there were more people like you then because there is this irrational hatred of Tahm Kench on the boards and I get downvoted to hell every time I bring him up

I love him, he is hilarious and fun to play with/as/against. He fell off mostly the same reason Shyvana did. He can't get in range and stay in range to do anything.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

I like you! Take my upvote.

crippler381 votes

they're still prolly never going to buff him so long as his w is more impactful than his ultimate in 90% of situations.

Wolftastic332 votes

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Because she has been around a 48% win rate with only a 2.5% or less pick rate and a .3% ban rate since her main item was removed?

She was nerfed around sated devourer, and hasn't been balanced back once they brought Bloodrazor.

CerealBoxOfDoom3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fvL0nzEe,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-10-08T21:37:08.330+0000)

Make her W tick for one quarter damage every quarter second. This is merely QoL. The feeling of the super slow ticks is awful in clear, awful in fights and just awful. It also occasionally makes her easier to escape due to the fact that a tick doesn't go off before the enemy steps out of it.

Increasing tick speed is NOT qol

just wanted to point that out because there seems to be a sortof plague of people misusing that word. Anything that could POSSIBLY have any effect at all on gameplay not resulting strictly from the human brain without passing any meaningful threshold of human limitation is not QOL

QoL would be delaying when the damage is shown, changing when it is dealt is another story. Killing someone .25 seconds faster is not only non-QoL but is actually somewhat significant in a game where most combos + sustained damage result in a 2-3 second survival time before counting all the other stuff that could happen like defending oneself.

AirKingNeo3 votes

Fix rageblade and that's an itemization buff.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

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Fix rageblade and that's an itemization buff.

That also is a solid idea

DogshítPlayer2 votes

No fuck that bullshit phantom hit item ;3

Mãge3 votes

These are well thought out suggestions! Bump for Riot visibility :)

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rank 4,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fvL0nzEe,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-10-09T03:10:12.893+0000)

These are well thought out suggestions! Bump for Riot visibility :)

Thanks

SanKakU3 votes

Yeah, morphing into the Dragon should be unstoppable.

Sassmast3r2 votes

Anything to create more variety, and these changes are totally feasible :) upvote

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

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Anything to create more variety, and these changes are totally feasible :) upvote

Thank you.

Troll for Trump2 votes

Shyv sacrifices cc and a strong intiation for being a better clearer and a duelist/sustained fighter.

Most of the unstoppable characters just go in and burst, and don't do much after their initial burst, while Shyv can(or should) pull it off better.

Maligaro Spike1 votes

Vi has got pretty good dps with item 3078 + W

Troll for Trump1 votes

She doesn't really proc sheen consistently. Her W does giver her a lot of dueling power as well, but not so much sticking power. And by sticking power I mean Azir, Yasuo, Udyr, Yi esque

MVpmack1 votes

cdr vi with max Q is basically unescapable in the time window in which she kills you unless you are full tank, even then her W is very strong, also if she is smart about using her E she can get more than enough trinity procs to end any duel. her dueling isn't the best (she's not jax or shyv) but she outduels a lot of champs, especially after she has an armor item

MVpmack1 votes

Hecarim would also like a word with you

Troll for Trump1 votes

His dueling is pretty bad, but his burst is really solid

MVpmack1 votes

his dueling is fairly bad, but his sustained damage is just fine

Ziovi2 votes

If she needs buff (i don't really know much about shyvana, sorry), i think they should:

  1. consider fixing her ult's hitbox, so that it actually hits when you would expect it to
  2. i'd like for her to remove any CC on her when activating her ult (just remove, not become immune), just because i think the idea of her breaking free from any restrains when she turns into a huge dragon is cool, so if she really needs some buff they may as well do this, i guess (again, i don't know much about shyv, so i'm not sure about the effect of these changes in terms of balance).
Maligaro Spike1 votes
  1. definitely agree no champ should be balanced around bugs and unintended mechanics ( Riven )

2)i don't like it, OP suggestion is better imho you should always be rewarded for CCing a shyvana but shyvana needs to have a way to deal with CCs outside of dodging them, if she can simply press R for a free cleanse then that would be a bit too easy but having to time ult right for avoiding CCs is not only more fun (unstoppable dragon) but also requires a little bit of timing instead of giving her raw strenght (press R for free cleanse)

PapaGreg211 votes

Don't worry, there will be some super strong attack speed item that comes out for junglers next season where she will be strong again. Then they will take it away and she will be lousy

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

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Don't worry, there will be some super strong attack speed item that comes out for junglers next season where she will be strong again. Then they will take it away and she will be lousy

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahaha...ha...haha.....ha....

It's true :c

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