2 Weeks ago people still complained Veigar was bad

ComannderShepard·Sep 30, 2015·2 votes·536 views

now he's op and is in almost every game. Are people going to discover isn't bad next?

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The Queen ViperSep 30, 20153 votes

Veigar is still not that good, and strictly worse after the changes... people are just going "OMFG OP" when they saw Froggen play well with him. -.-

Also, Cass is just fine. I don't think people are complaining about her power-level that much, they are just pissed off that she's thematically confusing.

ComannderShepardSep 30, 20152 votes

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Veigar is still not that good, and strictly worse after the changes... people are just going "OMFG OP" when they saw Froggen play well with him. -.-

Also, Cass is just fine. I don't think people are complaining about her power-level that much, they are just pissed off that she's thematically confusing.

Veigar is fine imo. Worse after the changes? I don't think so. It is much easier to farm with your Q. The insta stun being remove gives plays some counter play instead of being able to stun without warning and bop people. His ult is basically the same the same big ball of death which can be countered via items or a few champs.

As for Cass I didn't play her much before the rework but I remember playing against her a few times and the only thing that feels different is the poison not dealing a lot of damage but she's a E machine gun. I'm still waiting to see if teams can utilize her as a magic damage DPS in bot lane or using her in place of an adc.

WarlockLawSep 30, 20153 votes

It's almost like he got relevant buffs or something

ComannderShepardSep 30, 20152 votes

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It's almost like he got relevant buffs or something

The buffs don't seem like it would make this much of an impact; but you are right.

MiraweaveSep 30, 20151 votes

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The buffs don't seem like it would make this much of an impact; but you are right.

You don't see anything big about taking an ability that does 320 base damage with a 100% AP ratio and making it more reliable?

WarlockLawSep 30, 20152 votes

He had huge reliability issues with landing his w, prior to that change a champ with merc treads could be stunned at the exact time Veigar clicks w directly on top of them and that champ could still walk out in time to avoid it.

Also 5 ap per assist is incredibly relevant. Veigar can easily tag all 5 enemy champs for assists in a teamfight. Before he had to get a pentakill for 25 ap, now he only needs his team to get the ace

ComannderShepardSep 30, 20152 votes

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He had huge reliability issues with landing his w, prior to that change a champ with merc treads could be stunned at the exact time Veigar clicks w directly on top of them and that champ could still walk out in time to avoid it.

Also 5 ap per assist is incredibly relevant. Veigar can easily tag all 5 enemy champs for assists in a teamfight. Before he had to get a pentakill for 25 ap, now he only needs his team to get the ace

Good point. Would you agree that Riot should maybe just revert the buffs? The ap per assist is a little much; it was fine before and he can still get a lot of ap through Q farming.

And with the change with his W, because it does so much damage maybe its fine that it's easily avoidable. This way (like it was 2 weeks ago), Veigar players have to be more decisive when using it instead of being able to chunk a big piece of their enemy through landing a stun.

WarlockLawSep 30, 20151 votes

They should leave the w change in, hell he should have gotten that with his 'compensation buff.' The assist change I'm much less attached to. It should probably be removed or lowered so kills are worth more ap than assists

FowusSep 30, 20152 votes

I don't think he's op but he's definitely strong

PennsSep 30, 20151 votes

MissFortune Tryndamere Aatrox Zyra Vladimir Twitch Syndra Heimerdinger ... Are still waiting for it too :c

Legal WrightsSep 30, 20151 votes

I love Aatrox, Twitch and Syndra. Twitch actually has a great matchup with almost every relevant ADC at this point, and Aatrox is my highest winrate in all of LoL at like, 78%. Take his ass top with Teleport and Smite and just rock people with the red smite proc.

eaglei3Sep 30, 20151 votes

But Cass is below average right now. She is basically a low mobile squishy AP spambot with how they want her E to be used for sustained dmg on a single target. Other single target AP casters at least generally have high burst to eliminate a single target. Sustain dmg does not work that well on a low mobile mage. It is hard enough getting peel for your adc in SoloQ much less two characters that would need it. It takes too long to set up her dmg, and heaven forbid your Q or W miss. Her only saving grace is her Ult which can turn fights, but the rest of her kit feels weak.

Faded LichSep 30, 20151 votes

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MiraweaveSep 30, 20151 votes

Do... Does anyone honestly think that Cassiopeia is a bad champion?

Legal WrightsSep 30, 20151 votes

I have a friend who exclusively played Veigar before the E nerf, and still plays him now. He told me he was great and as a mid I had to give him a shot. So I did.

Then I got caught out by 3 people and panic ulted and accidentally oneshotted the enemy Cassiopeia because the fuckin thing did like 500 + 1100 + 850 due to scaling. So in total 2450 magic damage before reductions.

League of Legends is a great game guys.

ApexInTheCircleSep 30, 20151 votes

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I have a friend who exclusively played Veigar before the E nerf, and still plays him now. He told me he was great and as a mid I had to give him a shot. So I did.

Then I got caught out by 3 people and panic ulted and accidentally oneshotted the enemy Cassiopeia because the fuckin thing did like 500 + 1100 + 850 due to scaling. So in total 2450 magic damage before reductions.

League of Legends is a great game guys.

Veigar Viktor Lissandra Best panic ulters in the game man, if you pay attention you can score one or two kills by panic ulting.