Randomly removing damage from autos, buffing tower damage, randomly raising cannon minion hp, all great ideas. I can't imagine why everyone just plays mages who throw all their abilities at the wave at lvl 1 and just non stop wave clear when you made it so fun to last hit as a mage in this game. Baffles me.
Dead flag blues28 votesI need to understand why mages wave clear is slowly getting gutted (when it's their job to do so) while 
are still a thing
(Main reason for 
not being allowed to one shot casters with her E is "it would be too op for her to waveclear")
Ratpie5 votes[{quoted}](name=Dead flag blues,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fqvP186o,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-13T12:53:51.629+0000)
I need to understand why mages wave clear is slowly getting gutted (when it's their job to do so) while
(Main reason for
for real. Why is it okay for nonmana champs to have wave clear and spam while casters cannot? I could understand if it made them too strong, but a lot of the nonmana champs attacks hit just as hard.
Slythrin Umbreon30 votesLux's E is kind of problematic because it's not just her waveclear. It would be too op if it was a mana efficient way to effortlessly poke the opponent out of lane.
Dead flag blues4 votes[{quoted}](name=Slythrin Umbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fqvP186o,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-04-13T13:10:59.718+0000)
Lux's E is kind of problematic because it's not just her waveclear. It would be too op when it was a mana efficient way to effortlessly poke the opponent out of lane.
wave clear, burst damage, costs no ressources outside of walking
Game isn't revolving around right-clickers. Mages can't push towers for instance, this is the counterpart for having a good wave clear.
Slythrin Umbreon26 votesNo, I agree with you about Shiv being incredibly stupid, and wave clear isn't the only reason why. I'm just saying, there's a VERY GOOD REASON why Lux's E can't be stronger then it is. It honestly would be worse then how ADCs are, at least you get to play the game.
CppL7 votes[{quoted}](name=Slythrin Umbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fqvP186o,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-04-13T13:10:59.718+0000)
Lux's E is kind of problematic because it's not just her waveclear. It would be too op if it was a mana efficient way to effortlessly poke the opponent out of lane.
Dude her E cost more mana than most of the ultimates in the game.
Slythrin Umbreon9 votesThat's the problem. I'm not saying that it is Mana Efficient, I'm saying "If it was." It's not allowed to be mana efficient because Lux would bully everything out of lane worse then Leblanc, and without ever going near them.
SwiftKitten885 votes[{quoted}](name=Slythrin Umbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fqvP186o,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-04-13T13:10:59.718+0000)
Lux's E is kind of problematic because it's not just her waveclear. It would be too op if it was a mana efficient way to effortlessly poke the opponent out of lane.
how the hell would that be problematic? 25% extra damage to minions
fixed.. TA DA
Somebody Love Me5 votesIt would be problematic because she would just toss an E and clear the whole wave AND chunk out the enemy laner from a mile away because of how big it is.
At least Xerath has to decide whether to clear the wave or poke you with his Q (unless you position in your minions for some reason). Lux would do both at the same time.
Bogdan19455 votesThey could just make her E deal bonus to damage if it's detonated after 5 second , it'd still keep her clear time and mana cost rather high but at least her 5-11 waveclear wouldn't be absolute garbage , not to mention it allows for more skill expression on a relatively binary champion since you have to place that E in just the right spot. Also riot could just reduce E range to 800 if they want more counterplay to her E to exist , i mean ffs xerath's Q is harder to dodge than her E ,it's cheaper on a lower cooldown and is a far better waveclear tool , but they can't give lux some needed changed to her E because god knows why
SwiftKitten882 votesThey could just make her E deal bonus to damage if it's detonated after 5 second , it'd still keep her clear time and mana cost rather high but at least her 5-11 waveclear wouldn't be absolute garbage , not to mention it allows for more skill expression on a relatively binary champion since you have to place that E in just the right spot. Also riot could just reduce E range to 800 if they want more counterplay to her E to exist , i mean ffs xerath's Q is harder to dodge than her E ,it's cheaper on a lower cooldown and is a far better waveclear tool , but they can't give lux some needed changed to her E because god knows why
no.. we dont need to make her like grog-ass (
).. charge up times are stupid
notice me Sin pi2 votesonly thing riot needs to do to fix Lux's waveclear is giving her passive a tiny AoE (about size of Zoe Q) on passive procs. After that, they can nerf E and she would still be able to waveclear reliably as a midlaner.
Zed genius5 votes[{quoted}](name=Dead flag blues,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fqvP186o,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-04-13T12:53:51.629+0000)
I need to understand why mages wave clear is slowly getting gutted (when it's their job to do so) while
But stattik shiv just got its bonus damage to minions removed 2 patches ago🤔🤔🤔
MalrothDragonia3 votesactually the reason they don't put more damage into Lux E or reduce the mana cost is that the skill's play pattern has very little counterplay, and buffing it any more would result in toxic dominance for Lux. They've said as much.
AirKingNeo4 voteswhat's varus and mf's waveclear???
Hurricane isn't instant. Shiv was nerfed against minion waves.
Mage's waveclear is an issue in laning phase and that's what is being nerfed.
What a fucking strawman you gave.
Somebody Love Me2 votesVarus's waveclear used to be his Q when he was a skillshot champ (back when he was more healthy, before lethality became a thing and ruined everything).
MF may have no real waveclear, and that's how it really should be. Marksmen really shouldn't clear waves as easily as mages but items make that possible, which isn't necessarily bad.
Also using MF's ult to clear a giant wave like Lucian is pretty fuckin satisfying, though you're fucked in the next teamfight lmao
Ariel the Cruel1 votesTo e fair, AoE is kind of Sivir's Niche as an ADC. And she was mana gated harder than most mages until they made Ricochet crit and added 
mana restore.
Kit-wise, she's barely able to function in a 1v1 against most other right-clickers just so she can have this niche.
ModWulf Helhammer15 votesI mean.
You could just practice at last hitting better.
We have a practice tool.
T4underbolt15 votesDo you realize that mages need now to hit 2 autos to caster and meele minions in order to last hit them? Do you realize it is usually not possible and you lose sht ton of farm? It is physically impossible. Taking away 5 bonus dmg to minions did that.
ModWulf Helhammer4 votesIt’s certainly possible. You just have to manage the wave better, and learn the proper times to be hitting stuff.
Do I do that correctly? Oh god no, my farm is one the worst parts of my play.
But I understand that it’s not impossible, and that if I put more practice into it, I’ll master it.
T4underbolt14 votesI think you have a problem with understanding that when your wave is under turret its physically and mechanically impossible to last hit considering your attack speed is not high enough to make 2 autos before 2 turret shots. And your minions are usually not helping either. Please don't talk about things you dont know.
ModWulf Helhammer2 votesThey changed the turret damage to minions (forget exactly what kind) so that last hitting for mages under tower is relatively the same.
SpongebobIsLife4 votesno, there are times where it is literally impossible to get cs under turret as a mage using autos. I understand we have spells, but with mana/mana regen/mana sustentation constantly being nerfed, it feels bad to have to use your mana pool to cs what most champions could get just with their autos.
Yaśuo Main2 votesits being nerfed because of mana creep, its pretty much everywhere. ik its pretty much impossible to last hit a minion under tower if its being attacked by the tower but its really not that bad after early game, + mages having huge waveclear mid game
NineTailedMystic1 votesCan't get to mid game if you're down X CS.
Ariel the Cruel3 votesTechnically, CS doesn't determine when you enter mid-game. Just how strong you are upon getting there. ;p
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesYou guys literally have infinite mana.
SpongebobIsLife1 votesnot during the laning phase, and only if we go the tear route.
Snowman Arc2 votesChallenger players must have an innate buff because they somehow manage to farm pretty well even before 10 minutes. Stop crying and start practicing.
T4underbolt2 votesYeah. What a spam shield bot main can know about farming as mages. Come again when you play real role and real champions.
Snowman Arc2 votesDon't be mad, boy. I only play Janna now, because it's relaxing. I was doing Viktor, Sivir and top lane past seasons.
T4underbolt1 votesRelaxing with one hand using mouse and the other drinking tea because this champion can carry even if you play with one hand. That's your reason for relaxing. Freelo.
Snowman Arc1 votesWell, I play Janna quite aggressively, especially during the laning phase, but ye, she doesn't require as much effort as other champions and she is free elo. Instead of tryharding with stupid top lane picks where I have to put lots and lots of effort for some monkey ADC to trash on my game, I can stomp bot with Janna.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesDafuuuq. Are mage players on these boards trying to meme ADC mains now?
Malfectious11 votesMinion dematerializer [slayer-jinx-wink]
HalcyonDweller8 votes"Please make it better for mages to last hit cannon minions." - See? It is so easy to get your message across. Why do it the angry way? Personal catharsis is a dumb reason.
Jesus is Savior4 votes"Please make it better for mages to last hit cannon minions." - See? It is so easy to get your message across. Why do it the angry way? Personal catharsis is a dumb reason.
Because that wouldn't get upvoted. On Reddit or Boards you have to craft a post that will get upvotes or it will never be seen. It's a horrible format. You can't even say what you really want to say.
HalcyonDweller4 votesI dunno I've seen posts that are well written and use good formatting and little to no sarcasm that got to the front of the boards.
It's not like it never happens. The voting system needs to be changed to discourage circle-jerking, but I have no idea how to do that.
Jesus is Savior1 votesI dunno I've seen posts that are well written and use good formatting and little to no sarcasm that got to the front of the boards.
It's not like it never happens. The voting system needs to be changed to discourage circle-jerking, but I have no idea how to do that.
I made the EXACT same thread every couple weeks for about 6-12 months. It made the same point every time, just with different wording. It never got upvoted, and got lost into the abyss.
Then one day I managed to nail it. Got the perfect clickbait topic title, perfect thumbnail image, and perfect wording of the argument. BOOM. 1k upvotes and huge visibility.
Same thing happens on Reddit. Say what you want to say using the words you want to use? No one sees it. Say something similar to what you want to say with words you know will resonate with people? Everyone sees it. But it's not the exact words you wanted to use...
HalcyonDweller1 votesMaking an idea sticky is a complex art. It's doable without clickbait. And I doubt the OP was clickbaiting anyway, they seem to genuinely hold their belief. But I wasn't talking about just clickbait anyway, the whole post stinks of sarcasm and disdain.
All that aside, it's pretty random about when posts go viral. Claiming it's because of clickbait just because of correlation is silly.
You might like the book, "The Tipping Point," it has a lot of discussion about how advertising and ideas can be made more sticky.
Infernape1 votesI mean it did take Hashinshin literally telling Riot to kill themselves and basically having a rant on stream to even get Riot to take a look at bruisers.
HalcyonDweller1 votesNah they took a look at bruisers because of everyone, not Hashinshin. The timing makes it convenient to attribute it to Hashinshin but the decisions they made had nothing to do with him.
Zed genius4 votesRandomly removing damage from autos which was given as +5 damage for no reason whatsoever, buffing tower damage so mages can last hit more easily under tower, randomly raising cannon minion hp, all great ideas.
FrostQueensPlane9 votesWtf are you talking about, the +5 damage to minions has been in existence since masteries have been in league and was almost universally picked by mage players. In fact it use to be even more damage because of the bonus auto damage from AP mastery. The tower change is just classic Riot, fucking up with one change and then instead of reversing it (because admitting fault is for men) they just add in more changes to try and compensate. Literally design by beating around the bush, it's like their company motto.
I'm asking seriously, what in the fuck is the point of removing 5 damage from mage autos and then raising tower damage to minions so it changes the way minions can be prepped. What in the fuck was the point of it? I know repetoir has a hard on for fucking mages because he can't stand mid lane roaming to his precious bot lane and having a set of champions that dares to even try and match ADC/support scaling mid/late game, but really? This is his plan. To make last hitting the cannon rng. To make it extra hard for shitty mages who can't just afk wave clear to obtain gold so they quit the game and play fortnite instead.
stone the blacks4 votes
i dont see the problem
Ariel the Cruel1 votes
There's a problem? 
VelvetCrotch3 votes+1000 I don't play many mages at all, but I play Swain and, oh my fcking god, is it hard to kill a cannon minion. But the latest changes push you to focus the cannon minion. Swain has a pretty bad waveclear - and that's okay cuz every champ should have a few limits - except Yasuo ofc - BUT it's soooooo frustrating to get cannon minions and if you lost 2 or 3 early game you can tilt already cause you lost about 200 gold. YEAY!
BLACK REALM GOD1 votes
+
is not an answer, but it is a suggestion.
Banzeez1 votesI know this is a joke but... is for melee champs only
Ariel the Cruel2 votes
Yo!
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