His Q hits for way too much, the scaling is out of control and the hitbox on it is huge. Plus it's instant if he is anywhere near a wall ect...
Basically either nerf the damage and scaling or remove the instant proc on walls.
Also, why do they think it's healthy for ADC's to jungle and clear easier and faster than traditional champs that are designed to JG? Where is the logic?
CppL1 votesthey already nerfing his Q base dmg on pbe.
WoonStruck1 votesHe needs a nerf on E too.
Either that or his passive/auto-range.
Someone ranged being rewarded that much for being closer makes them outclass fighters in too many ways. Its not good for the game.
Slamurai Jack1 votesBasically either nerf the damage and scaling or remove the instant proc on walls.
They've actually already done all 3 on the pbe already.
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They've actually already done all 3 on the pbe already.
Where?!!? all i can see is base dmg nerf.They reverted scaling back to 1.2.
Slamurai Jack1 votesDid they? Well, 2 out of 3 is still pretty good. I'd be shocked if there isn't a few more iterations of the nerfs on the pbe before they hit live though.
Furor Nexis1 votesGraves has the lowest marksman range in the game. The fact that he's able to gap close up to you to be able to pull of his Q is well, frankly the result of a lack of awareness. He's a beast of a champion if played right, and his bursts are the only decent things about him. Aside from that, his E and W are useless without them.
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Graves has the lowest marksman range in the game. The fact that he's able to gap close up to you to be able to pull of his Q is well, frankly the result of a lack of awareness. He's a beast of a champion if played right, and his bursts are the only decent things about him. Aside from that, his E and W are useless without them.
yes and compensate for that ,his AA are aoe and knock you back.!!
ModWulf Helhammer2 votesThey only knock back minions and monsters
Furor Nexis1 votesyes and compensate for that ,his AA are aoe and knock you back.!!
As AventeLWings said, the AA only knocks minions and monsters back. The only reason he became jungle viable was because his AA could clear camps like they were nothing. EoTL is also easy to predict, and it has a total time of 3.5 seconds to do damage on average due to the bullet launching into the air and back again. And considering turrets count as walled objects, sticking to one for defense versus Graves isn't the best of ideas. I've played a lot of toplane with him recently and alot of decent top fighters weren't able to stop me shitting on them due to the reliance of turret safety.
And to be quite honest, if Graves isn't marked down as an immediate threat as soon as he's picked for the Jungle, then something's wrong with your own team comp. He cannot be allowed to gank at any given ratio.
Alot of people also seem to think Smokescreen can be walked through. You're given at least 85% vision reduction as well as slowed. His powerspike isn't the problem, its the fact that alot of people don't know what to do if he enters their lane. His abilities suck up huge mana early game, so if he attempts a gank and it doesn't work out for him, he has either the choice to become gold or retreat, or work with teammates to ensure a successful gank.
He's more like a ranged-melee. Imagine if darius was "ranged", you can't say he's weak because "he's the lowest ranged marksman".
Well hey, at the very least he doesn't heal 50% of his damage in a single Q, eh? Same method of approaching him is the same as any standard CC. Shut him down, hard.
JQKAndrei4 votesHe's more like a ranged-melee. Imagine if darius was "ranged", you can't say he's weak because "he's the lowest ranged marksman".
