On kill resets = horrid balance

Wizzleboom·Dec 13, 2014·5 votes·910 views

Darius/Akali/Kat.

How is this on kill/assist reset even in the game? You can't even counter akali/ Kat because of Zhonyas/GA abuse. This garbage has got to go, no other assassin's have this broke as mechanic and it's toxic.

Case in point. You cc and burst Kat in a team fight and she pops hourglass while you get shit on and then she just ultimate penta kills you all with resets. I'm talking tanks and everything. Her ultimate does well over 1 AOE damage with a mediocre build.

Need proof that it needs nerfs? Check her play % in low level match ups. You will see Akali and Kat turds smattering the countryside.

REMOVE RESET ON KILLS FFS.

15 Comments

The OasisDec 13, 20145 votes

I'm not so much opposed to resets as I am the fact that once they get going, their damage is nearly unstoppable and they have great escape tools. And please before anyone says item 2043 counters akali, there's something wrong if the enemy team has to spend 1k through a game on consumables just to have a chance against someone. Darius is just plain unfun to lane against, but at least he scales worse than an AD Sona.

WizzleboomDec 13, 20141 votes

And really, an assassin's job is to take out the adc/ squishy and not 100-0 an entire team with broke as mechanics.

Long Dong WukongDec 13, 20141 votes

Are you trying to say "a broken ass mechanic"? I can't tell and it's in your OP too.

Kuroi86Dec 13, 20143 votes

Check her play % in low level match ups.

Because that's exactly what LoL should be balanced around...

/sarcasm

WizzleboomDec 13, 20141 votes

{quoted} Because that's exactly what LoL should be balanced around...

/sarcasm

Because it's easy to abuse and broken? Tell me why you think it's healthy game play to get resets off of kills while abusing invuln items like GA and Zhonyas.

Kuroi86Dec 13, 20142 votes

Both champs are feast or famine. Both require you to roam for kills or else fall off due to not snowballing. Both are near useless against competent teams.

What gives balance is the cooldown. If Kat doesn't get a kill, she is done for. Akali is slightly more forgiving, but in return doesn't have nearly as high a damage on her ult. Add to this the fact that both are completely ult reliant and can be abused horribly in lane prior to six. If you're waiting for lvl six to try and get a kill on either of these champs, then you're doing it wrong. You want your jungle to gank early so you can either force them out of lane or get a kill so you can farm up and get an early advantage. If your team is smart and doesn't let either of them roam for a kill, then neither will snowball.

SmokingPuffinDec 13, 20141 votes

Because it's easy to abuse and broken? Tell me why you think it's healthy game play to get resets off of kills while abusing invuln items like GA and Zhonyas.

These champions existing sets different strategic problems for a team. For example, Katarina existing means it's important for the support to have both a CC for her and the tankiness to not immediately die while using it. It also means that carries need to learn how to deal with this kind of threat, which is quite different than say a Talon or Zed.

Strategic diversity is good. Leads to more replayability and fun factor.

I'm sorry that they noobstomp hard when you have a bad team, but not having noobstompers in your game is impossible. There will always be champions that are better in low level play and others that are better in high level games.

Long Dong WukongDec 13, 20143 votes

Whatever you say, Silver Warwick abuser.

Kat and Akali have shit on Bronze-Silver since the beginning of time because those people can't actually play against them correctly. It's not the champions, it's you and your team's level of play

WizzleboomDec 13, 20142 votes

[{quoted}](name=Long Dong Wukong,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IEXEnGrg,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2014-12-13T15:16:24.629+0000) Whatever you say, Silver Warwick abuser.

Kat and Akali have shit on Bronze-Silver since the beginning of time because those people can't actually play against them correctly. It's not the champions, it's you and your team's level of play

And I'm the first to say he deserved nerfs. He is a zero skill point and click champ and that is the exact bane of this game. Replace 90% of the point and click mechanics with skill shots and then the game would be better.

Imagine if kat/akali had to use actual positioning to fire a round off? But people who play them would cry too hard.

Long Dong WukongDec 14, 20141 votes

Katarina is pure positioning and timing. Akali is much easier and more forgiving, but doesn't shit on entire teams.

You go in at the wrong time against good players as Kat and you're dead. All assassins snowball by the way, so getting wrecked by a 12/1/5 Kat is going to happen every once in awhile.

Knight SoIaire Dec 13, 20142 votes

but he has a point when you get resets on skills that posses a big chunk of power the ballance gets out through the window because your power is straight out uncountable

ofc kata wrecks scrubs but even in high elo once she gets resets she deals damage that can wreck half of your team by herself while without those resets her resets she is a simple assasin

also if she wrecks scrubs in low elo so hard its a big problem because champions should be ballanced in a way that makes them quite equaly powerfull across all elos (ofc it will never be perfect but champion shouldnt go from 0 to hero just basing on elo he is played in)

Zen FuryDec 13, 20142 votes

It's not you, it's...you.

Pink wards counter Akali, and spending 1K gold as a team to counter one champion (and pretty much win every team fight) is peanuts considering how much you spend on armor and resists anyway.

For Kat, you are definitely doing it wrong. NEVER STUN UNTIL SHE ULTS. Trying to stun her and burst her down is high risk and usually fails if the rest of her team aren't complete idiots, and if it fails then she'll probably mop the floor with you (assuming she's been fed). She's a one trick pony. Interrupt her ult and she's dead.

junglerboy16Dec 13, 20141 votes

Pick heimerdinger, he counters them with his strong pushing and zone control, and he can burst, stun or DPS them if they try to dive. If they roam, take their tower. If they roam again, take the next tower. Always ping MIA if they aren't in lane, even if you know they just recalled or something, because they could roam for a lane gank. If you warn your team and they play smart, they shouldn't get kills on their roams, and that will set them even further behind.

WizzleboomDec 13, 20141 votes

I know how to fight them, that doesn't fix the fact that a reset on kill mechanic is broken. Case in point is if every character had this mechanic.

junglerboy16Dec 13, 20141 votes

fair enough, my point is that it is easily countered by another archetype of champion, and that inherently means it isn't actually broken.