Riot is swapping biscuits and boots on the inspiration tree.
Those of us who liked to buy boots early instead of waiting for the rune, and enjoyed laning with biscuits + futures market are getting hosed, just so riot can end stopwatch+ boots
Who Fed Ru11 votesEasy fix:
Stop trying to save that stupid excuse of a rune and admit that Stopwatch is a huge design failure, and nobody enjoys the Stopwatch shitfest currently going on.
But then again it's Riot, so probably we have to deal with this shit all season again, until they go like "wE MaDe A mIsTaKe BoYs, wE ShOuLd HaVe LiStEnEd To ThE CoMmUnItY eArLiEr, SoAwWy" next preseason like it was with DynamicQ, a.k.a. the worst experiment ever.
The Iceborn1 votesdont hate on stopwatch
SithesisLord5 votesSee, thing is, Stopwatch is kinda like Flash right now.
You don´t call the game League of Flash because nearly all champions take it, nor do you complain Flash is broken because nearly everyone takes it. You play around it. The same way you make people commit mistakes that in turn makes them waste Stopwatch when the last thing they want is to waste it.
It´s a one time use item. And often times they´ll sell it after using.
Who Fed Ru2 votesThe difference between them is that Flash is actually a good addition to the game while stopwatch is just retarded.
ChaddyFantome4 votesSee, thing is, Stopwatch is kinda like Flash right now.
You don´t call the game League of Flash because nearly all champions take it, nor do you complain Flash is broken because nearly everyone takes it. You play around it. The same way you make people commit mistakes that in turn makes them waste Stopwatch when the last thing they want is to waste it.
It´s a one time use item. And often times they´ll sell it after using.
Except Riot has already admitted that Flash is broken/A problem and simply dont address it because it is current;y to integral to the overarching balance of the game at this point.
Stopwatch has been in the game fro 2 months and like 2 patch cycles by comparison. The argument that "its op, but its fair because everyone can use it" is a terrible argument.
Durzaka1 votesWhat? You dont sell Stopwatch unless you are playing a bruiser or AD assassin
Tanks build it instead Stoneplate, ADCs into GA, and AP into Zhonya's.
The fact that its a minor rune that gives a 300g flat value is also just stupid.
HalcyonDweller4 votesEasy fix: Just do what I think is best because my opinion is the only one in the world and it's actually not an opinion it's just the truth.
This is the sort of thing that makes me question my faith in humanity. Maybe DON'T reduce an issue down to black and white battle lines once in a while? I guarantee you that the discussion that ensues will be more productive that way.
Who Fed Ru1 votesOfc it's an opinion, but an opinion the majority of the playerbase agrees with.
I have yet to see a person say that stopwatch was a good addition to the game.
HalcyonDweller1 votesHonestly, conceptually it is really cool, in practice it can feel nice to have access to such a defensive tool.
Also practically though having it on runes in the way it was has been is unbalanced. And Riot is addressing that.
You issuing ultimatums does nothing to progress the issue or it's discussion. Don't dig trenches when there's no point in fighting. It's not even the subject of this thread.
You essentially hijacked a thread about the placement of keystones cutting each other off just so you could complain about stopwatch and imply that Riot is retarded.
Who Fed Ru3 votesI just believe that it is not a good addition to the game, so in my opinion it should flat out be removed again.
It's a powerful active that should be exclusive to 
, even if it's one time use it can completely turn around early fights.
And that one fight is just stopwatch after stopwatch until all stopwatches are used, and the winner of that fight usually snowballs from that.
Also, I could kinda understand it building into , but letting AD champs and Tanks have access to the item is just plain BS.
And it kinda is on the subject of the thread because the whole switch in the keystone tree is now happening only and only because Riot just wants to keep something in the game that basically no one wants in the first place... again.
The item existing as a free Rune shouldn't be a thing. Even if it's in another tree now. If you want such an strong active you should buy it, and not be able to take it as a free Rune.
If it has to stay in the game then only, and only as preitem of .
But the current Stopwatch shitfest is just ridiculous, but definitely not enjoyable.
HalcyonDweller1 votesI actually agree with you. Now go make your own thread about it instead of hijacking and derailing somebody else's thread on a different subject.
Who Fed Ru1 votesok
Leonerdo1 votesI've already seen three people who like (or at least accept) Stopwatch, just while scrolling down to this comment.
Ahri Baka1 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fmtKhLvI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-02-02T18:23:21.619+0000)
Easy fix:
Stop trying to save that stupid excuse of a rune and admit that Stopwatch is a huge design failure, and nobody enjoys the Stopwatch shitfest currently going on.
But then again it's Riot, so probably we have to deal with this shit all season again, until they go like "wE MaDe A mIsTaKe BoYs, wE ShOuLd HaVe LiStEnEd To ThE CoMmUnItY eArLiEr, SoAwWy" next preseason like it was with DynamicQ, a.k.a. the worst experiment ever.
Stopwatch isn't a problem at all when you pay 600 Gold to get it the rune is the real problem It has the same effect as Zhonia , so why non-mages can use it for free ? that's not ok imo
Oleandervine10 votesThey should have swapped Boots with Hextech Contraption. Losing Biscuits/Future Market is nonsense to me. Why not pick the rune people didn't run instead?
Häxel1 votesHaving both Biscuits and Future Market is Nonsense to me. I don't even see Futures Market as a good choice as it got overshadowed whole time by free boots. Same with Biscuits and Perfect Timing- Maybe hextech Contraption should have been switched but for a diffrent reason: I fear stopwatch biscuits will be the new op safe lane combo. Just to be sure: If Biscuits would have benn remained in that tree probably no one would ever pick that compared to the 2 big alternatives (except for the strange people here?). On the otherside hextechflash would be probably be picked on every support or Jungler.
How riot intends it i think is more fair and every rune now looks now better to get, from biscuits to futures market to hextechflash to minion dematerializer. Also the Pathnames: The Name "Contraption" realy suits Hextech Flashtraption, Magical Footwork and Perceft Timing while "Tomorow" together with Futures Market, Biscuit Delivery and Minion Dematerializer are for the near Future.
JarodDempsey1 votesfutures market is a really nice qol rune especially for support where items cost less so its debt limit is worth more. Plus rushing boots is a viable strat in numerous scenarios which makes slightly magical footwear a hindrance
Akali is SO HOT1 votesThe only reason everyone has a stopwatch right now is because you can get boots along with it. Once you can only get either stopwatch or boots it will most likely not be optimal to go into the inspiration tree anymore just for stopwatch. We might still see it in pro play, but Assassins, for example, will most definitely go back to Domination + Precision
Z3Sleeper1 votesPretty sure it'll just shift to Stopwatch + Future's Market/Biscuit.
Future's Market serves a similar purpose in the aspect of gold gain. It just doesn't give +10 MS.
I think Assassins wouldn't mind getting to buy core items earlier when forced to back.
If they don't though, wouldn't they go Domination Sorcery? I thought before Stopwatch everyone was all about Celerity + Waterwalking on Assassins?
Häxel1 votesKeep in Mind that both, Magic Footwork and Perfect Timing beside the switchign get additional Nerfs: Bootsupgrade no longer cost 50 Gold less and Stopwatch itselff while the normal Stopwatch was 600 Gold worth for an upgrade, the rune replica was 300 Gold worth and gets nerfed to 250 Gold. So a midlaner who run before these 2 Items lost theoretical now 100 Gold with the nerfs if it just would be the prices, the switch itself costs the midlaner now 350 Gold if he got before boots worth 350 Gold and stopwatch 300 Gold and now just gets the 300 boots or it costs him 400 Gold if he gets the now 250 Gold Stopwatch.
The Fact that the Goldlost is even bigger for going Stopwatcha s for Boots on someone who got before both and that actualy the boots from the rune still give you more movementspeed and are theoretical more worth as normal botos while the stopwatchreplica is the direct opposite, less worth as the original, could realy eman more peope would go Boots as Stopwatch. Ofcourse it depends on the Matchup or Champion too, i would give Ryze as an example if his Stopwatchinteraction wouldn't be nerfed.
Diffrent is it ofcourse for a Support or most adcs who sold Stopwatch. You are right that Supports sometimes tend to want to upgrade Botos faster. Still currently most went the free Boots. Now they probably will shift to either Hextechflasha gain (more aggressive Supports like Alistar, Leona, Thresh, BC) or Stopwatch for safty vs these agroSupps or Ganks. Or for secondary Inspiration a Tomorow with Beyond Runecombo could it be and no hex/Boots/watch. Adcs either will remain in the Inspirationtree or go back to Scorch/celerity. Also important to know that Patch 8.04 gives Precision Attackspeedsplit and some updates to the Resolvepath, so that Path could get more attractive too.
Z3Sleeper1 votesPrecision is gonna give AS as a secondary of Domination/Sorcery now?
Also did you type all that on your phone? Looks like it lol.
JarodDempsey1 votesI dont think ive ever seen anyone take hexflash aside from a cheese pick and certainly not one of the tank supps you mentioned, And I've only played support like all but 2 matches since new runes came out. If they make this swap biscuits will simply be less viable for supports since fm is so useful for them. Always riot ruining stuff for unrelated people to stop others who abuse something else.
Häxel1 votesYou overvalue Futures Market. Just looked up at Probuilds and saw more Biscuits, boots, even Minion Dematerializer on said Supports, primary or secondary Inspirationv (for example Comsic Insight and Biscuits on secondary). Well i saw at the begin of the Preseason much hextechflahs testing and atleast on Blitzcrank you can still see it often.
Ofc you coudl say "pros and lowelosoloq are diffrent", but after all it coems to pros using the most effective so it stays that you overvalue futures market.
JarodDempsey1 votesI used to use biscuit but almost never need the mana or hp and being able to have liek 300 more gold than what my gold actually is is way more useful. Also just because pros use it doesnt mean it's necessarily better in normal matches or lower elo because pros are best at fighting pros, lower elos have dfferent priorities and are simply different environments.
Häxel1 votesAnd thats the case: In lower elos Inspiration as in general is far less attractive. This "leauge of stopwatch" exists mostly in highelo/proplay while lowelo tends far more for the sorvery/domination paths.
Theorex1 votesFuture's market is made for champions that need to get to item thresholds sooner.
Viktor with his first upgrade.
Ryze with RoA and Tear. Since they are both time based items. The sooner you get them the better.
Normal champions that aren't time gated or have a stupidly high first item buy (viktor's first upgrade) wouldn't need it or want it.
But imagine getting a whole item one minute, sometimes up to three minutes sooner. Now you can argue, why three minutes?
Because back timings, minion waves, etc. You can't just leave lane because you want to anymore. You lose your tower way too fast. A bad back timing could result in the enemy jungler/ other laner shoving and taking your tower.
So futures market is super nice, with biscuits. It made it even nicer. Since biscuits nullified a lot of that pressure of mana/getting poked out early.
Now its going to be perfect timing and biscuits. 0 reason to take futures market over biscuits since the pay off has no drawbacks vs futures market does.
The only way that this change makes sense is if they address EVERY single issue in patch 8.4
Lord of Math2 votesNow when I play 
top, I can take boots and the minion dematerializer.
Leonerdo2 votesUnfortunately if you're taking Biscuits and Future's Market, you're gimping yourself. Boots and Stopwatch are almost always better. Now you actually get a balanced choice; two of them actually.
And if biscuits were still in the same slot as Free-ass Boots and Stopwatch, then you'd really never have a reason to take it, because Stopwatch is better for tough lanes and Boots are better for gold economy. At least Flashtraption has niche use-cases that can (maybe) compete with Stopwatch and Boots.
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But anyways, the real reason is that Flashtraption wouldn't fit in the second slot, since it's the "Tomorrow" themed slot.
JarodDempsey1 voteswhattttttt are they really doing that? where did you see this?
Oleandervine1 votesIt's on the PBE
SoundChaosDebug1 votesyou are 2nd in line behind the minion dematerializer and biscuit line.
future market alone is great with anything you apply it.
D3m37r11 votesWho even takes minion dematerializer?
SoundChaosDebug1 votesWhy do you even have enough free time in your day, to try and argue why people shouldn't take a run set up?
Regardless of the changes it's not gonna effect you, the fact of the matter you're asking like I am the guy holding up changes.
ADC5LUT1 votesdid someone delete their post because you response looks completely ridiculous. o.o
gabetheguy1 votesimplying I'm not gonna flex on mfs with magic boots AND future's market, effectively saving 600+ gold.
BWG REFORMED1 votesyou don't matter you know because it was the wrong choice they are doing you a favor
