How to bring Zed under control

Khristophoros··4 votes·468 views

Zed is one of those champs that is undeniably strong despite having a mediocre winrate. What this means, IMO, is most players do not exploit his advantages to their full potential. But this doesn't make him ok. He's a dominant pick and if the Zed player knows what they're doing, it's unfair.

In my experience, I've observed many Zed players with the mindset that he's supposed to be constantly going for kills all day. Not only that, but they tend to overcommit when one of his strengths is actually how good he is at disengaging. They focus so hard on this that they'll also put his other advantages on the sidelines, such as his ability to keep up on CS when he's under pressure and his split pushing.

So in my opinion... nerf those advantages that people aren't appreciating.

Split pushing - To nerf this, hit his waveclear and his DPS against turrets. Trade some damage on his skills for armor shred, which would retain his assassination potential since he synergizes with armor shred. Change his W's passive from bonus AD to "increased physical damage vs champions."

Disengage/safety - This is difficult because I think fucking with his instant teleports would be too harsh, and hurt his gameplay too much. Perhaps his assassination needs to require more commitment to get full damage. For example, Zed's ult could deal reduced damage if he is not near his target when it pops. This means if he chooses to disengage he is less likely to get the kill. So the reward would scale better with the risk he puts in.

4 Comments

Knight Devout3 votes

The waveclear definitely needs an hard hit.

And the bonus AD on his W is retarded, just give him something different if not at all. It's retarded how Zed nukes tanks and squishies alike just to how he's proficient with any armor pen, both flat and %

Khristophoros2 votes

The waveclear definitely needs an hard hit.

And the bonus AD on his W is retarded, just give him something different if not at all. It's retarded how Zed nukes tanks and squishies alike just to how he's proficient with any armor pen, both flat and %

RE: Killing tanks. That's more of a system issue in the whole game. It's too hard to get tanky because repeated nerfs to defense items, and LW/VS.

It's off topic but here's what I think they should do.

  • Remove LW and VS.
  • Nerf base values on armor/mr items a little.
  • Add a % scaling armor stat, and % scaling mr stat to most of the items. This means you can focus hard on either armor or mr. Trying to be a generalist tank would be more difficult unless your champ has a skill specifically for it like Rammus or Alistar.
Knight Devout2 votes

Mmmh... that's a bit hard to bring in line, as only rammus or Alistar, or the likes of them could be tank, unless you consider bonus resistance from spells also increased by items.

Unless, ofc, you don't make it something like "on top of the flat armor, you also gain extra % of your base armor".

Anyway, for how I see it it's quite easy , the defense and offense itemization is alright, even Zed is alright if not for the case you mentioned, where expert people also use the underappreciated part of his kit, like splitpushing and disengaging instead of going berserk in every tf.

Namely, %Armor pen is good against tanks? It is. Does flat armor pen works well against low armor target ? It does. Does armor works well in negating physical damage? It does.

So why are we talking about Zed? Because his kit synergize just too well with many different ad items at the same time. Ghostblade, LW, and Botrk, with perhaps a black cleaver too make Zed able to ignore a massive amount of armor, deal % health damage with the active, with each auto, and then reapply it all when the mark procs. Plus, while each of those items grant few AD, making Zed theorically weaker agaisnt squishies due to low AD amount, his W increases his AD of 20%, erasing that weakness.

However, Lane-wise Zed is not so dominant , or rather, he's dominant in the scenarios he's supposed to shine as an assassin. That's why I'd hit Zed in his splitpushing, and roaming potential.

NAmely, reduce Q damage against minions, and make Living Shadow swap cooldown or focus cost greater when not hitting champions with the mimicked ability. Sure, he still keeps the effectiveness of his abilites against tank and squishies alike, but he has an harder time gaining the gold for the items.

Jefftiffy1 votes

Zed doesn't need nerfs. If you want to nerf Zed look at his peers. There are other assassins that have more than he has and you want to nerf him? He has 0 team fight if someone builds Zhonya's or GA. Because that leaves him with either a bruiser, tank, or support to kill. Akali can wreck entire teams, Fizz is capable of killing 2 people+ and running. Talon has much more ability to damage the entire team.

You can't ask for nerfs on a champ when all of his peers are stronger than him. He already got nerfed hard awhile back. Wait till they fix drag then he will start to be balanced again.

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