I love playing Junglers

Dr Poro·Sep 16, 2016·66 votes·3,045 views

Sadly I can't buy most of them because it would weaken my ARAM champion pool.

My opinion of what is bad is based on my own experience as a 2000+ ARAM MMR player ( https://euw.whatismymmr.com/dr%20poro ) in addition to raw statistics from http://www.op.gg/statistics/champion/ using 'everyone' to see low ELO performance and Diamond or Platinum to show the influence of skill.

With bad junglers, I mean (ironic how she used to be one of the top tier ARAM champs)

Then there are who also have bad winrates but I actually enjoy playing them here.

I already own most of the champions, it's just that the 13 champs that I don't own yet all have low ARAM winrates and most of them are junglers.

52 Comments

VivaLaKittenSep 16, 201613 votes

you mean your All Random URF champion pool :/

crippler38Sep 16, 20161 votes

I thought it was confirmed that ARURF would have all champs unlocked.

The Letter HSep 16, 20163 votes

Nope!

Votable JesterSep 17, 20162 votes

Sadly.

XinCrinSep 16, 201613 votes

This is why they should make ARAM truly random. So we dont have people having ARAM champion pool.

Samflash3Sep 17, 201612 votes

That's why they're giving Kayle for free.

JimmyyySep 17, 20161 votes

Heh

Dr PoroSep 17, 20161 votes

Kayle is a decent ARAM champion. Not OP, not terrible. She's about average, performance highly dependant on the player (unlike Ziggs, Sona, etc.)

the weeabooSep 16, 20163 votes

Who gives a f*ck about Aram pool lol

RendarkanSep 17, 20162 votes

Sadly I can't buy most of them because it would weaken my ARAM champion pool.

If you can't learn how to play them in ARAM then don't play ARAM.

SlntReaperSep 16, 20161 votes

So it's an aram only account you use? Get another account and get JG's on that account.

Dr PoroSep 16, 20161 votes

No this is my main, I already have many bad ARAM champs like RekSai Udyr but I lack just 13 champions, all of which suck in ARAM. I have enough ip and shards to get 3 of them, but I don't see the point if it will hurt my experience in the long run.

Very Hard EngageSep 16, 20161 votes

IMO i find it best to always go full hp regen on those guys, so you can take poke for your team mates and shrug it off like its nothing. then last item you build damage and you auto win the late game.

CookyPrinceSep 16, 20161 votes

Yeah cus you can feed as much as you want and still come back late if the enemy team cant split push as well or tank towers

AlleoSep 16, 20163 votes

You can't split push in aram.

dominusxSep 17, 20161 votes

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?(insert Nb3 voice)

AlleoSep 17, 20161 votes

What is this???? Are you boosted??

aspects1Sep 17, 20161 votes

have you tried full ap reksai? just stay burrowed and spam q for great poke

Dr PoroSep 17, 20161 votes

With Rek'sai you have to make a choice between decent early game, terrible lategame (ap) and terrible early game decent lategame (bruiser). In both cases, she's an suboptimal champion and her winrate shows.

aspects1Sep 18, 20161 votes

or you can start with like a ludens, get a rylais or something, then get those bruiser items

Praetor NotoriasSep 17, 20161 votes

I dunno. I played ARAM for a year to force me to learn new champs and I found a lot of people just don't know how to play ARAM. The champ isn't the issue, it's do the people around you know how to play with what you have? There's a lot of goto easy stuff, but Evelyn is strong in ARAM and her passive is kinda like nonexistent there.

Dr PoroSep 17, 20161 votes

Evelynn strong? Her winrate is the lowest on average, for diamonds, her winrate is still third lowest. Maybe you're the only player super good with Evelynn, but she sucks.

Praetor NotoriasSep 18, 20161 votes

ARAM...

MonkeyMadnessSep 16, 20161 votes

Or you could just play the game as it was intended...Also, zac is great in aram. So is amumu, malphite, and hec is ok. So is elise, for that matter.

Dr PoroSep 16, 20161 votes

Amumu is great. Malphite is Okay. Zac and Hecarim have low winrates, although I do like Zac if you're the only tank. Elise has a horrible winrate in ARAM.

The DeckownerSep 17, 20167 votes

why would you care about win rate in aram lol

MonkeyMadnessSep 17, 20161 votes

Elise has a low win rate because people that play aram don't actually know how to play. I have played elise in aram and absolutely crushed ppl.

dominusxSep 17, 20161 votes

people still max Q on aram elise so yeh. ( not an aram player but i play elise in rift )

MonkeyMadnessSep 17, 20161 votes

I haven't played aram at all lately, much less elise on aram, but I feel like maxing w is the way to go and then just poking.

dominusxSep 17, 20161 votes

yeh it is! tons more dmg and sustain if you get to hit some minnions

RendarkanSep 17, 20161 votes

Zac item 3157 item 3135 item 3027 item 3065 item 3068 item 3001

Nuke time

Dr PoroSep 17, 20161 votes

I don't think Zac has that many mana issues that he needs ROA. :^)

dominusxSep 18, 20161 votes

i think he wants the ap and health more than the mana. + The heal might prove good in the long run

Dr PoroSep 17, 20161 votes

Even in the hands of Diamonds, her winrate is one of the lowest.

Her problem is that she's an early game champion in an environment where she's not even oppressive during the early game. If you don't have a stomp comp then the game will reach lategame where Elise becomes terrible. The enemy carries just need one magic resist item to survive her burst. Or if Elise goes tanky, she's a second class bruiser, getting outdamaged by most other tanky bruisers.

MonkeyMadnessSep 17, 20161 votes

You have ARAM stats for diamond only players? intersting...

Dr PoroSep 17, 20161 votes

Yes, while not optimal (diamonds aren't always good at ARAM), it does show a difference compared to 'anyone' since on average, they will be better than a silver and have higher ARAM MMR too.

http://www.op.gg/statistics/champion/

ThiccNuggSep 16, 20161 votes

have 2 accounts?

KinetikaSep 17, 20161 votes

I think you may have misspelled "strengthen".

JofeyySep 17, 20162 votes

Udyr Evelynn XinZhao much strank ;)

Dr PoroSep 17, 20161 votes

Xin is fine actually. He can go tanky and reliably follow up on engage or peel for carries while sustaining and CC'ing. Udyr does the same but way, way worse because he needs damage for sustain and he has no good gap closer other than 48 sec cd summoner 32

With bad junglers, I mean RekSai Evelynn LeeSin Nunu Udyr Rengar Kindred Nocturne Tryndamere Hecarim Shyvana Gragas Elise Aatrox Nidalee (so ironic how she used to be one of the top tier ARAM champs)

Then there are Khazix Shaco Zac who also have bad winrates but I actually enjoy playing them here.

Repeating this in the OP post for clarity since a lot of people make the same mistakes.

FriusSep 17, 20161 votes

xerath ,lux jungle ,ziggs ,snipe from jungle thats all

The EcdysiastSep 17, 20161 votes

ARAM doesn't really mean anything anyway, so the winrate doesn't matter. If you like playing that champ just don't reroll when you get them.

Dr PoroSep 17, 20162 votes

Ranked also doesn't mean anything. Unless you're challenger or play in tournaments.

Sure, you get a boarder and an icon, but those are meaningless as well. It all depends on the value you put into it. I put a lot of value into ARAM and other modes.

Who are you to say that a gamemode that you don't care about is meaningless. I could say the same about ranked teams. But I don't, because I know that it's the favourite part of the game for other players.

The EcdysiastSep 18, 20161 votes

Then instead of spamming the boards, just don't play junglers in ARAM if you want to win. Don't buy them.

I told you to play them if you like them. If you don't like losing because of it, then don't buy them. Simple.

Dr PoroSep 18, 20161 votes

Do you realize how dense that sounds? I like playing junglers in Summoner's Rift, IN THE JUNGLE. But not to lane with them 5v5. I wouldn't mind if all champions were unlocked because your opponents would have an equal chance of getting the same jungler, but atm they don't. It's a clear advantage to not buy many of these champions.

The problem is that if you play every gamemode, one game mode restricts purchases for other gamemodes. It's like Riot doesn't want you to spend money to get all champions.

The EcdysiastSep 19, 20161 votes

It's dense that you're assuming someone's going to know what you specifically left out of the original post. You didn't say anything about playing them on SR.

Anyone who's actually serious about their performance in ARAM has an account specifically for it, one where they specifically limit the champions owned so that they can't ever be at a disadvantage.

What's dense is that there's anyone who "loves" ARAM and hasn't already done that, but would rather complain that the RANDOM game mode sometimes RANDOMLY gives you a champion that isn't going to win you the game.

MorgManBasherSep 17, 20161 votes

Tryndamere item 3115 item 3068 item 3065 item 3100 item 3075 item 3111 hue

Troll for TrumpSep 17, 20161 votes

That's the point though. ARAM is supposed to be a casual mode, so it's not really as meta locked or driven based on winning as Ranked 5v5s. People complain about the lack of "true random" in ARAM, but then they complain about having a bad champ pool. When you take a chance, there are both bad and good outcomes.