Boom. Cho'Gath got gutted. No- Not even gutted. They fucking ripped his asshole inside out and poured acid all over it. He's dead.
FUCKING DEAD. I don't even care how many downvotes I get for this- This is disgusting, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever this should be done to a champion, especially to one WHO'S ALREADY WITHOUT A DOUBT WEAK.
MrHaZeYo2 votesHe got gutted? He has a infinite HP scale now lol.
Wind Whistler1 votesHe got gutted? He has a infinite HP scale now lol.
If he can kill someone with an ult that does no damage. Also, they reverted the infinity scaling HP, so yeah.
Eunson1 votesIsn't his ult like 1k true damage?
Wind Whistler1 votesIsn't his ult like 1k true damage?
They're taking off the AP scaling on it. ALL of the AP scaling, so no, Cho'Gath's ult is hardly gonna do any damage now.
ScissorsNstuff2 votesThey're taking off the AP scaling on it. ALL of the AP scaling, so no, Cho'Gath's ult is hardly gonna do any damage now.
he's getting bonus hp scaling true damage.
This also means that it scales multiplicatively with 
20 ap costs 435g
150 bonus hp costs 400g
they are changing the damage from 70% ap to 12% bonus hp so
20 * .7 / 435 = 0.03218390804
150 * .12 / 400 = 0.045
so basically for every 1 gold you spend you're getting about .013 more true damage assuming you get nothing but ap and hp. Just comes down to the actual itemization and as jungle he's going to have the option of going which is 400 hp + a 15% bonus hp buff plus lets say maybe 2 stacks of his passive so 100 * 2 = 200 so 600 + 15%= 690 so basically 700 after runes and masteries, more actually but lets keep going. Now you've got the 12% ratio, that's 700 *.12 = 84 true damage with no damage items for 2625g whereas before if you built 
you'd get 120 ap + 35% = 162 ap then times .7 so you get 116 damage for 3800.For another 1200g he'd need 162-84 = 78 78 / .12 = 650 more bonus hp to about match that. 
is 380 hp + 15% = 437 hp
So it looks like the damage is only really reduced heavily if you used to do shitty cheese builds.
FireDrizzle1 voteshe's getting bonus hp scaling true damage.
This also means that it scales multiplicatively with
they are changing the damage from 70% ap to 12% bonus hp so
20 * .7 / 435 = 0.03218390804
150 * .12 / 400 = 0.045
so basically for every 1 gold you spend you're getting about .013 more true damage assuming you get nothing but ap and hp. Just comes down to the actual itemization and as jungle he's going to have the option of going
So it looks like the damage is only really reduced heavily if you used to do shitty cheese builds.
yeah yeah, Cho gath doesnt just do damage with his ult, you dont get any damage on q, w or e with hp. The "shitty" build is tank, there are lots of tanks with more mobility AND better cc than Cho'gath.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesyeah yeah, Cho gath doesnt just do damage with his ult, you dont get any damage on q, w or e with hp. The "shitty" build is tank, there are lots of tanks with more mobility AND better cc than Cho'gath.
who said anything about going tank. I just said a single hp item is extremely cost efficient
FireDrizzle1 voteswho said anything about going tank. I just said a single hp item is extremely cost efficient
Everyone seems to think Cho should be built tank, especially ingame. The cinderhulk calculations arent relevant tbh with Cho getting a full ult cooldown on monsters. Theres no point building tanky unless you have a great utility or damage. If you want to build tank and do damage you will still be better off playing a juggernaut or 
.
Wind Whistler2 votesEveryone seems to think Cho should be built tank, especially ingame. The cinderhulk calculations arent relevant tbh with Cho getting a full ult cooldown on monsters. Theres no point building tanky unless you have a great utility or damage. If you want to build tank and do damage you will still be better off playing a juggernaut or
Exactly. I guess I didn't fully back up my points, but now I don't need to. You pretty much did it for me, so thanks. Unless they put bonus health ratios on Q and W, this is going to be a huge nerf to him.
MrHaZeYo1 votesUh, no they didn't lol
Champions Cho'Gath [7.3 PBE changes being reverted soon - will likely return in some capacity soon!] Feast (R) [new iteration of exploratory changes seen earlier in PBE.] [Change to feast mechanic - still doesn't fall off] Only 5 stacks can be gained from minions and monsters Stacks Beyond 5 now give 50% of listed health (50/70/90) 70% AP ratio removed from damage. 12% bonus HP ratio added to damage
Wind Whistler1 votesUh, no they didn't lol
Champions Cho'Gath [7.3 PBE changes being reverted soon - will likely return in some capacity soon!] Feast (R) [new iteration of exploratory changes seen earlier in PBE.] Only 5 stacks can be gained from minions and monsters Stacks Beyond 5 now give 50% of listed health (50/70/90) 70% AP ratio removed from damage.
Are you fucking serious? It does significantly less damage now, and you NEED to execute people with it, or else you won't get stacks. Not only that, but it gives much less health than it used to, anyway, so what's the fucking point? How are you going to get fed if you don't do any fucking damage? Answer: You don't.
MrHaZeYo1 votesI mean, you left out the 12% bonus HP Dmg. You figure with 5 stacks (that don't fall off) Your full tank Cho will have around 5k HP you'll deal base + ~ 360 DMG. ~2k base + ~3k bonus. Ya that Dmg is down from old cho but its not awful for True DMG
Wouldn't say hes gutted.
Wind Whistler1 votesI mean, you left out the 12% bonus HP Dmg. You figure with 5 stacks (that don't fall off) Your full tank Cho will have around 5k HP you'll deal base + ~ 360 DMG. ~2k base + ~3k bonus. Ya that Dmg is down from old cho but its not awful for True DMG
Wouldn't say hes gutted.
Bonus HP damage is irrelevant. His ult gives him MAXIMUM HP, not Bonus, so it doesn't increase the damage as you stack up. You have to build actual HP items for that. And if you do that, you won't have any AP, so your Q, W, and E won't do any damage. The reason he's going to be gutted is because he's already in a weak spot. If they nerf him like this, he'll be even weaker.
50000000000000001 votesDid you mean base HP? Increasing maximum health usually counts as increasing bonus HP, like in case of Lulu.
Wind Whistler1 votesDid you mean base HP? Increasing maximum health usually counts as increasing bonus HP, like in case of Lulu.
No, I meant maximum HP. Also, I'm pretty damn sure that Cho'Gath's Ult is maximum HP, as the last time I checked, it didn't scale with cinderhulk.
Handy Sandy 2 votesThey fucking ripped his asshole inside out and poured acid all over it. He's dead.
He's not even from this world or something so I'm not sure he has one.
Wind Whistler1 votes[{quoted}](name=Chroma Spell,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fUTsz7px,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-29T04:04:40.252+0000)
He's not even from this world or something so I'm not sure he has one.
Oh. True. Maybe they just ripped his entire body inside out, then?
Although that brings to question: Where does all the food that Cho'Gath eats go? For Kog'Maw, it gets dissolved, and for Kha'Zix, he uses it to transform himself or something, but what about Cho'Gath? What does he do with it?
AcidTheWarlock2 votesHe just gets really big
TheHappyReaperz2 votesHow is he gutted? If you build, 
, or something along those lines, you'll get a bonus 276 true damage, without being squishy AF, and that's without any stacks of your ult.
Wind Whistler1 votesHow is he gutted? If you build,
Bonus 276. 276. TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY FUCKING SIX. ARE YOU KIDDING? AND RYLAI'S? THAT WEAK, SHIT, GUTTED ITEM, ON CHO'GATH? Not to mention, if you just stack fucking HP, your Q and W won't do any damage, so yay! This is some serious fucking Old Sion shit here. If you build AP, your ult doesn't do any damage. If you build health, your Q, W, and E won't do any damage. And Cho'Gath? Being squishy as fuck? Do you not know how to build champions anything other than full damage or full tank? He's a fucking hybrid. You're supposed to be building shit that give defenses and ability power. Holy shit, it's almost like I'm talking to someone about Old Yorick.
TheHappyReaperz2 votesChill out.
Wind Whistler1 votesChill out.
You're right, I do need to chill out about this. I think I have PTSD or something from this. Everyone I used to main is getting removed/gutted. Sion, Poppy, Yorick, Kha'Zix, Aurelion Sol, Cho'Gath... I just... I'm starting to fucking go crazy. It seems like this is all just a pattern... I practically grieve for Yorick every damn day.
TheHappyReaperz1 votesHow was Kha gutted? or AS?
Wind Whistler1 votesHow was Kha gutted? or AS?
I don't know, I guess Kha'Zix wasn't really gutted. I guess I just can't adapt to the changes at all. Like, how am I supposed to take advantage of the cooldown refund on Evolved Q if they just walk back out of isolation range right after I jump on them. Before, you could capitalize on them being misplaced and burst them down quickly before they could clump up, because of the 200% Bonus AD Ratio. Now, it's much lower, and you have to hit them twice for it to equal the damage you would have done before the rework. Since you need to hit them twice, they have a lot more time to get back to safety, and since your jump will be on cooldown after you tried to capitalize on their mistake, you won't be able to get out before you get CC'd to death. I probably did a horrible job of explaining that, tbh. Also, I guess Aurelion isn't necessarily weak, as much as he is just really buggy. I can't play him with all of the bugs in his kit now, it's just so damn aggravating.
ScissorsNstuff1 voteslinks please
Wind Whistler1 voteslinks please
http://image.prntscr.com/image/5aa4f4f13dae45878de385c734d748d7.png There you go. Have fun executing enemies with an ultimate that can't deal enough damage to execute them in the first place.
ScissorsNstuff1 voteshttp://image.prntscr.com/image/5aa4f4f13dae45878de385c734d748d7.png There you go. Have fun executing enemies with an ultimate that can't deal enough damage to execute them in the first place.
looks like a buff to me
Wind Whistler1 voteslooks like a buff to me
Okay! Then in that case, let's just remove every champion's AP Ratios completely. Oh, they'll be so much stronger then! Yeah, I don't think so. It's a fucking nerf.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesOkay! Then in that case, let's just remove every champion's AP Ratios completely. Oh, they'll be so much stronger then! Yeah, I don't think so. It's a fucking nerf.
I mean ya, a lot of champs would actually be fucking busted if they had hp scaling instead of ap. I mean seriously, his ult literally scales with his fucking ult usage lol.
Wind Whistler1 votesI mean ya, a lot of champs would actually be fucking busted if they had hp scaling instead of ap. I mean seriously, his ult literally scales with his fucking ult usage lol.
No, it actually doesn't. It scales with Bonus HP. His ult is maximum HP. Also, what if only ONE of their abilities scaled with Bonus HP? Cho'Gath has 3 abilities that scale with HP, and one that scales with Bonus HP. No matter what you decide to build, overall, your entire kit is going to deal less damage.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesNo, it actually doesn't. It scales with Bonus HP. His ult is maximum HP. Also, what if only ONE of their abilities scaled with Bonus HP? Cho'Gath has 3 abilities that scale with HP, and one that scales with Bonus HP. No matter what you decide to build, overall, your entire kit is going to deal less damage.
should ask riot to count that as bonus hp. Cant imagine why they wouldn't unless they were too flooded with useless complaints.
Wind Whistler1 votesshould ask riot to count that as bonus hp. Cant imagine why they wouldn't unless they were too flooded with useless complaints.
I should ask them? I doubt they'd listen to me, lol. Maybe it actually is bonus HP, but the actual ability says it's maximum hp because it's outdated or something. I don't know.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesI should ask them? I doubt they'd listen to me, lol. Maybe it actually is bonus HP, but the actual ability says it's maximum hp because it's outdated or something. I don't know.
don't be a noob, riot actually does listen if you get enough people to join in. When they tried to change ahri the ahri fancult closed in and directed the changes as we pleased. We came to agreements and ahri got even stronger while increasing in counterplay after dfg was removed.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Cho'Gath
the wiki confirms that it is in fact bonus health unless they are mistaken somehow
Wind Whistler1 votesNothing I say is almost ever agreed with. Every single one of my threads end up getting downvoted, LOL. Nobody is going to listen to anything I say, yet I still make these stupid posts. Also, no shit they listened to Ahri players. There are so many of them, and most people like her for some reason. No one likes champions like Cho'Gath, Sion, Poppy, and ESPECIALLY Yorick. Also, that's really strange. Next time I play Cho'Gath I'll look at his tooltip, because that's where I saw it say "maximum health".
Perma CC1 voteshttp://image.prntscr.com/image/5aa4f4f13dae45878de385c734d748d7.png There you go. Have fun executing enemies with an ultimate that can't deal enough damage to execute them in the first place.
I mean these changes make him healthier and more powerful. He infinitely scales now with hp so hes going to be fucking unkillable and still one shotting people... its just actually going to be something that can be denied by punishing the cho gath and preventing him from farming.
Wind Whistler1 votesI mean these changes make him healthier and more powerful. He infinitely scales now with hp so hes going to be fucking unkillable and still one shotting people... its just actually going to be something that can be denied by punishing the cho gath and preventing him from farming.
Lol????????????? Healthier and more powerful? You sound like you're talking about when they removed fucking Yorick Mori. He's not going to be """"healthier"""". Nothing is even going to FUCKING CHANGE. He'll have even LESS counterplay. All you have to do is ult a fucking minion and then boom, you get more health for the rest of the game. Also, might I remind you, this is MAXIMUM health. Aka, NOT BONUS HEALTH. So it doesn't make his ult stronger. And if you think you can go full tank Cho'Gath and be one shotting people... Well, to put it lightly, you're stupid. Someone who can build full tank items and one shot people... That's called being "BROKEN". I hope you know about that. Lol. Are you just trying to trigger me? Because that's exactly what happened. Congratulations.
Perma CC3 votesLol????????????? Healthier and more powerful? You sound like you're talking about when they removed fucking Yorick Mori. He's not going to be """"healthier"""". Nothing is even going to FUCKING CHANGE. He'll have even LESS counterplay. All you have to do is ult a fucking minion and then boom, you get more health for the rest of the game. Also, might I remind you, this is MAXIMUM health. Aka, NOT BONUS HEALTH. So it doesn't make his ult stronger. And if you think you can go full tank Cho'Gath and be one shotting people... Well, to put it lightly, you're stupid. Someone who can build full tank items and one shot people... That's called being "BROKEN". I hope you know about that. Lol. Are you just trying to trigger me? Because that's exactly what happened. Congratulations.
"Lol??????????????????" <LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL????? Look I can do it too... accept I have a reason... I'm laughing at your incredible ignorance towards this game... and the fact that your rank alone proves how little game knowledge you have. I don't give a shit if your triggered. You have 8 downvotes because you're a fucking moron. Stop posting your crybaby complaints on the boards because your salty and have 0 understanding of the game. His changes aren't going to break him... they are going to make him much more viable. If you can't see this then it obviously is reflecting in your rank... and rank reflects game knowledge. If you wanna come on the boards and be taken seriously at least get to a respectable rank before you start acting like you have any sort of game knowledge.
Wind Whistler1 votesNo. To everything you said. Just... No. I have more game knowledge than you, lol. You don't even seem to understand that Bonus HP doesn't equal Maximum HP. They're two different things. All they're doing is lowering his fucking damage by a huge amount, unless you build full hp Cho'Gath, which makes your Q, W, and E, useless. Okay, maybe I don't know everything about the game- Maybe you know more than me. But one thing I know for sure is you know absolutely nothing about Cho'Gath. It's not rocket science, dude.
Perma CC1 votesNo. To everything you said. Just... No. I have more game knowledge than you, lol. You don't even seem to understand that Bonus HP doesn't equal Maximum HP. They're two different things. All they're doing is lowering his fucking damage by a huge amount, unless you build full hp Cho'Gath, which makes your Q, W, and E, useless. Okay, maybe I don't know everything about the game- Maybe you know more than me. But one thing I know for sure is you know absolutely nothing about Cho'Gath. It's not rocket science, dude.
The downvotes say alot. I don't really even need to try and defend myself. You opinion is invalid when the majority of the boards disagrees with you. Time to move on honey.
Wind Whistler1 votesThe downvotes say alot. I don't really even need to try and defend myself. You opinion is invalid when the majority of the boards disagrees with you. Time to move on honey.
Okay, sure. Just hide behind everyone else, rather than actually attempting to use logic. Sorry you can't understand Cho'Gath, Yorick, and probably most of life. See ya.
ModKnightsKemplar1 votesThose changes aren't even shipping... they literally already said they are gonna keep working on him.
Plz. Calm yourself.
Wind Whistler1 votesThose changes aren't even shipping... they literally already said they are gonna keep working on him.
Plz. Calm yourself.
Since when were the changes not shipping? Please, PLEASE tell me where you found this information.
ModKnightsKemplar1 votesCheck the most recent day of changes. It's gone from PBE, and the designer working on it said they aren't happening this patch cycle.
Fluffeh1 votesHes only losing 20% of his ulti damage in exchange for building health instead of pure AP. Thats pretty godamn fair, especially on the highest health champion in the game.
Wind Whistler1 votesHes only losing 20% of his ulti damage in exchange for building health instead of pure AP. Thats pretty godamn fair, especially on the highest health champion in the game.
You never built "Pure AP" on Cho'Gath. You built a mixture between armor, magic resist, health, and ability power. That way, you're tanky, AND all of your abilities do damage. If you just build HP on Cho'Gath, your Q and W won't do any damage. Also, it takes longer for him to get stacks now.
VoraciousX1 votesAny time you add health to a champion, you're adding max HP. Bonus Health is literally that, BONUS HEALTH. Base health is how much the champion itself has, bonus health is health gained from outside sources(for example, items, his ult. If you need proof that his ult grants BONUS HEALTH, just look here: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Cho'Gath . Maximum health is ALWAYS added when you add HP to a champion, otherwise it'd be like a potion, adding current health but not adding to your max HP. Bonus health is health from outside sources, which will always be maximum health, again, unless using a potion or something similar. There are BONUS health, and BASE health. BASE health is the champion's health values without items or runes. Runes and items grant BONUS health. The only time an item will grant a BASE stat is in the case of something like Sterak's Gage, where it grants you a temporary extra 25% base AD. You don't have to overreact, but if you think they're gutting him because his ult doesn't add to it's damage, you're wrong, as it grants BONUS HEALTH, as well as items.
