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To all those who are ecstatic about Poppy being cute

Wind Whistler··8 votes·4,137 views

Has it ever crossed your mind that Poppy WASN'T SUPPOSED to be cute? I'm not saying that she should be ugly like she is now, but that's not right either.

I'm pretty sure Poppy was supposed to really break the mold of what a Yordle was supposed to be. Why else would she have a tragic backstory? Why else would she not live in the happy-go-lucky Bandle city like every other Yordle minus Heimerdinger?

Now that she's cute and everything, I feel it's harder to see her stand out among the other Yordles. Say what you want about Tristana enjoying blowing up people and Teemo's entire lore, but all of the Yordles' in-game quotes seem to lack the seriousness that Poppy had. Up untill now.

So please, next time you think of the new Poppy being cute, remember that that's probably not what her creators had in mind when they made her, and how upset the few people who actually frequently played her are. Thank you.

27 Comments

Ralanr8 votes

How could she break the mold of there was no mold by the time she was created?

Wind Whistler1 votes

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How could she break the mold of there was no mold by the time she was created?

There was a mold if you ask me. The mold was being relatively silly and not super serious. Listen to Veigar, Teemo, Tristana, Heimerdinger, and Corki, who were all early Yordles that came out before Poppy was. Do they sound serious to you?

Ralanr3 votes

Wasn't Poppy one of the original champions? She was originally a megling.

Wind Whistler1 votes

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Wasn't Poppy one of the original champions? She was originally a megling.

Pretty sure she was released in 2010.

Ralanr2 votes

She's a 450 IP champion, odds are she is a release champ.

Edit: She was released in 2010, but she was one of the first 2010 releases. Her IP price was originally 1350, where other champions with that price had already existed in game.

Tronzalore20331 votes

^This^

Ebonmaw Dragon4 votes

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I'm pretty sure Poppy was supposed to really break the mold of what a Yordle was supposed to be. Why else would she have a tragic backstory?

Poppy have a tragic backstory? what about:

Gnar His familly was murdered in front of him by an unknown creature Veigar Tortured by Noxians Teemo Psycho of the Army Lulu Exiled from Bandle, all his family members and people that knew her, died already.

Mister Sunglow1 votes

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Wind Whistler1 votes

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Poppy have a tragic backstory? what about:

Gnar His familly was murdered in front of him by an unknown creature Veigar Tortured by Noxians Teemo Psycho of the Army Lulu Exiled from Bandle, all his family members and people that knew her, died already.

Yes, I completely agree that Gnar, Veigar, and Lulu's backstories are more tragic, but in Lulu's case, it didn't have much of an effect on her, and she still acts like the rest of the Yordles for the most part. In Veigar's case, while his story is tragic and he was changed greatly by it, his voiceover makes him still come across as silly. And in Gnar's case, it's hard to tell if it changed him at all. For all we know, he could have just forgotten about the whole thing, but it's impossible to tell because no one knows what the hell he is saying.

The reason I didn't include Teemo was because it's stated in the lore that when Teemo goes psycho, he isn't bothered by all of the terrible things he does.

GreenLore3 votes

Actually Lulu acts even weirder than the other yordles. She is completely alienated from society. I mean she was exiled because she thought it would be fun to transform others into squirrels or something like that and then probably forgetting to transform them back.

Wind Whistler1 votes

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Actually Lulu acts even weirder than the other yordles. She is completely alienated from society. I mean she was exiled because she thought it would be fun to transform others into squirrels or something like that and then probably forgetting to transform them back.

She does, but she's all fun and games and doesn't really mean to cause any trouble. Poppy, on the other hand, was the kind of Yordle who would outright slaughter you if you disagreed with her, which was going a little bit overboard on her seriousness. I really think the new and old Poppys were done wrong.

Xulsigae4 votes

I do prefer more variance in a species. Tristana and Poppy look too similar now. It feels like Poppy got pushed into being cute for marketing reasons. How many people will buy things with Poppy on them because Poppy is now 'cute'? Arg the future chibi figures.

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

We need more edgy champions?

Wind Whistler2 votes

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We need more edgy champions?

No, we definitely don't. But we don't need to start taking away champions that ARE edgy. Riot should just focus on making non-edgy champions.

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

Bandle City and the Yordles were meant to stray from the edginess of the rest of the game. Zaun is high-tech Compton. Super edgy. Freljord is in constant war. Super edgy. Piltover is the city of progress, but has a lot of crime before the cops showed up. Pretty edgy. There's a piratey slum. Two warring nations, each with their own terrible features (Demacia: sexism and restriction, probable serfdom. Noxus: chemical warfare, major poverty, wicked rulers, etc.). A land of the dead and a land of those who just want to devour. Dueling sisters. Dueling cults. Super edgy. Then we have Bandle City, a land of happy little Yordles who always seem upbeat. Sure, there are some edgier vibes (Veigar), but it's supposed to be the relief from all of the edginess of the rest of the world.

TheChaoticSwede2 votes

To be honest, I never cared for the live Poppy at all. I can't relate to her and I don't like her in the slightest because her model and how she holds herself is just so strange and ugly.

I play and like Urgot because that's what he's supposed to be: an abomination of science and flesh.

Poppy had no reason to be the way she did. She was a blacksmith in the lore, at worse she should be scarred or burned because of that. Not a penguin in a gold suit of armor waddling around everywhere.

Am I saying that all the Yordles should be mainstreamed into the big-eyed, cutesy wutesy that we've seen Tristana and Poppy turn into? No. But at the same time since Riot has now made Yordles an actual race instead of something players find cute and small there has to be some basic consistency between all their designs.

Also I like her lore a lot more now. A hero without knowing it is a much more relatable and likable backstory than "My father died and I serve Demacia now." Not only that it has a lot to work with. You can do a lot of interesting things with her character story-wise.

If you're looking for a Yordle that 'breaks the mold' then get Teemo. It's really ironic how the most iconic Yordle in the game is probably the furthest thing that a normal Yordle would be. He's literally a psychopath.

Wind Whistler1 votes

I'm not trying to say that the current Poppy is fine, because she's far from it. As I said up above, whether it was intended or not, she's too ugly and a bit too serious. She definitely needed a VU, and also a VO, but they strayed so far from what Poppy was originally that I now feel that the current Poppy will cease to exist in any way, shape or form. Maybe I'm so worried about her because the last time they did this was with Sion, and I miss him dearly.

As for the cutesy wutesy statement you made, aren't Yordles a species and not a race? If not, what species do they belong to?

Also, a hero without knowing it, in my opinion, is something that gets old and boring after a while, because sooner or later you're going to have to realize your holding a glowing hammer and just cut a mountain-sized animal in half with it.

Finally, Teemo isn't completely a psychopath. He has two sides. One of those sides is cutesy wutesy like other Yordles, and the other is pretty much what Omega Squad Teemo is. Judging by his quotes in game, I assume he's in his cutesy wutesy side.

GreenLore1 votes

While I think it makes her not that outstanding compared to other yordles,I think her new personality makes her a bit more outstanding to the cast of champs as a whole. I mean we have already a lot of serious characters,especially among demacian champions,riot isn't so wrong when they explained that they didn't want to create a mini garen

Overall it also wouldn't surprise me if they actually plan to pull a Gangplank on her eventually. You know not necessarily directly after her update,but some day,maybe in a few years,when they want to progress her story. I mean what better way to make her realize that she is the hero,by making her face something horrible(similar to how the death of her father changed her in her old lore)

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I'm pretty sure Poppy was supposed to really break the mold of what a Yordle was supposed to be. Why else would she have a tragic backstory? Why else would she not live in the happy-go-lucky Bandle city like every other Yordle minus Heimerdinger?

Veigar was imprisoned for pretty much no reason where he slowly went insane. Say what you want about his personality,but his lore is actually rather dark and tragic.

Wind Whistler1 votes

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While I think it makes her not that outstanding compared to other yordles,I think her new personality makes her a bit more outstanding to the cast of champs as a whole. I mean we have already a lot of serious characters,especially among demacian champions,riot isn't so wrong when they explained that they didn't want to create a mini garen

Overall it also wouldn't surprise me if they actually plan to pull a Gangplank on her eventually. You know not necessarily directly after her update,but some day,maybe in a few years,when they want to progress her story. I mean what better way to make her realize that she is the hero,by making her face something horrible(similar to how the death of her father changed her in her old lore)

Veigar was imprisoned for pretty much no reason where he slowly went insane. Say what you want about his personality,but his lore is actually rather dark and tragic.

I'd say that applies for a lot of other factions too, althought it's probably to a lesser extent. Noxus is full of super-serious warriors who don't give a shit about human rights. Zaun is full of freaks of science like Dr. Mundo, Viktor, Twitch, Warwick, and Singed. Bandle City is full of Yordles that all (or most of them) act the same. The Void is full of purple monsters that want to kill things, and you probably get my point by now. But the thing is, Poppy WOULDN'T become a mini Garen because her personality and ESPECIALLY backstory is extremely different from Garen's. If they're going to make Poppy not super serious like a Demacian, and more like a regular Yordle, why not make her live in Bandle City instead? Demacia has a bunch of heroes already, and Bandle City doesn't. The whole thing just doesn't make sense to me.

Also, what you say about Veigar is true, and his backstory is probably even more tragic than Poppy's. But, as you've stated, Poppy comes across as being serious, while Veigar comes across as being silly, even though he tries not to.

Sona Ping1 votes

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Why else would she have a tragic backstory?

Tragic backstories are cheap and easy; they are the simplest way to give a motivation and trick an audience into caring for a character and their motivations without actually putting in the legwork to make them likable, relatable characters with personalities. It's why tragic backstories are so common.

So... there are alternative reasons for it being there.

Wind Whistler2 votes

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Tragic backstories are cheap and easy; they are the simplest way to give a motivation and trick an audience into caring for a character and their motivations without actually putting in the legwork to make them likable, relatable characters with personalities. It's why tragic backstories are so common.

So... there are alternative reasons for it being there.

Every Yordle, bar Veigar, didn't have a tragic back story, and they were all rather silly in terms of voiceover. I'm pretty sure Poppy was given a tragic backstory to explain why she's so serious all the time.

Ralanr1 votes

All I can think of with no tragedy are Heimerdinger Ziggs and Tristana

Sona Ping2 votes

Look, I like Poppy. I played with her, wished I played with her more (but there's a 120 champions so that's how it goes). But really, let's be honest about this: The real reason Poppy is so serious all the time is because she doesn't have a goddamn personality. The closest thing she has to a personality is her joke, which is a joke at her own expense about how she doesn't have a personality. Her lore is just like the other early lores, a quick one-stop-shop for a single note of motivation that explains why they are in the now defunct League of Legends.

Her parent was a weapon maker who she cared for deeply and they were the beloved daughter. So when her parent was cruelly killed this filled them with the motivation to take up the awesome weapon they crafted and join the League of Legends. That's all we have for the deep backstory of Poppy. And also Sarah Fortune. It's pretty much exactly the same thing; same scenario, different parent. Add another parent, maybe some siblings, and a Pit of Corruption, and you've got Varus. Change "parents" to "Ionian Elder" and you've got Yasuo. He even has the same stupid duty of his post thing as Varus in there after, of course, the "and then the Noxians attacked" section.

I'm sorry, I know you like Poppy. But that's the way it is. I'm sorry but I have to tell you that there is no deeper meaning about why it was like that; it's just "Protagonist Background Motivation: Template 14b".

Wind Whistler2 votes

Fair enough, but Poppy still broke the mold of what a Yordle was supposed to be. I just don't see why they had to change her so drastically. Thanks for trying to not sound like a douche.

ShadyWolfe1 votes

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Fair enough, but Poppy still broke the mold of what a Yordle was supposed to be. I just don't see why they had to change her so drastically. Thanks for trying to not sound like a douche.

She didn't really break the mold as she was a megling when released. Rito then went on a justified genocide of the megling monstrosities and changed them into yordles. Riot explained why the changed the way Poppy is. Poppy is a Bandle City/Demacia champion and they didn't want another Demacian running around being stoic like a miniGaren. She does have a unique personality compared to the other Yordles still and has more personality than old Poppy.

Wind Whistler1 votes

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She didn't really break the mold as she was a megling when released. Rito then went on a justified genocide of the megling monstrosities and changed them into yordles. Riot explained why the changed the way Poppy is. Poppy is a Bandle City/Demacia champion and they didn't want another Demacian running around being stoic like a miniGaren. She does have a unique personality compared to the other Yordles still and has more personality than old Poppy.

I don't see how she differentiates from other Yordles. Care to explain?

ShadyWolfe3 votes

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I don't see how she differentiates from other Yordles. Care to explain?

Yordles were furry rodent creatures whereas Meglings were gnomish blue creatures.

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