Upon killing an enemy with Death Mark, Zed PERMANENTLY gains a portion of their attack damage for himself
PASSIVE: Nightstalker: After being unseen, your next basic attack deals bonus TRUE damage.
This scares me more than it should
EDIT: Seems like the bonus AD steal doesnt stack. Personally i love the way this is heading, giving Zed an actual unique playstyle and adding towards the "forbidden" theme
Simpumba17 votesKeep in MIND, his free bonus dmg FROM his W is completely gone, making him actually have to kill targets to get that damage back. If anything it makes zeds hurt less early, and make them have to kill to get strong.
Bladerunner77773 voteshis W passive only gave like 5-10 AD for the majority of the game doe
I'm only scared of zed becoming popular because I never get to play him when he's fotm/permabanned
GrReaper964 votesNot really i usually can get around 50+ bonus AD overall late game. Essentially i assume this change will force Zed to snowball way more than before and really punish him if he falls behind. That being said if he STEALS AD then thats a totally different problem
Bladerunner77773 votesyeah, lategame
I'm talking about while W is still at level 1 (the majority of the game)
Civet101 votesThe ult AD steal is 5+5% of their ad, so its not really that much, you kinda just proved the point you were arguing against
Bladerunner77771 votesUhh, no?
5+ AD everytime you successfully ult is a lot more than 5-10 AD for 25 minutes
Civet101 votesIts not +5 ad every time you ult, it only gives the bonus from one kill, whichever would give the most. No matter how many people you ult, the ad wont change, unless you kill someone who would give you more
Bladerunner77771 votesI learned this shortly after
Either way they nerfed a lot of Zed's abilities and buffed "non-damaging" things like energy refund.
The whole Zed update honestly looks like a Zed nerf in disguise
I could be wrong though, I just hope they don't make him go like 48% winrate to 45% winrate, because then he'll have to be buffed which always causes an uproar, and then he could be overbuffed and then you start seeing hourly "Zed cancer" posts, and then...
I just don't want him to cause a scene, because recently I started to enjoy playing him and I don't want him to be useless/broken/hated by everyone.
manbearswine1 votesKeep in MIND, his free bonus dmg FROM his W is completely gone, making him actually have to kill targets to get that damage back. If anything it makes zeds hurt less early, and make them have to kill to get strong.
So you are saying that he will have more variance when he does good vs when he does bad? How is an assassin being more feast/famine(and this is EXACTLY that), any good?
Yosuke Apperu1 votesSo you are saying that he will have more variance when he does good vs when he does bad? How is an assassin being more feast/famine(and this is EXACTLY that), any good?
Apparently riot didn't want them to fall off when they get behind.. yet they're supposed to be the epitome of high risk high reward.. so much for high risk lol.
DeathBot66612 votesLet me paraphrase Zed's new ult passive:
Prevents the enemy ADC from playing 
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Pale Pirate8 votesLet me paraphrase Zed's new ult passive better:
Makes your team lose because your ADC still wanted to play
nm10104 votesAnyone know if he gets AD based on his target's ad or if he steals the ad from his target?
RiotMeddler34 votesBased on the target's AD (not a steal). Also, since it's a bit unclear, Zed only gets bonus AD from the highest AD target he's killed. This isn't a constantly stacking higher buff like Nasus Q, but a reward for the strongest (in AD) champ you've killed during your ult all game.
GrReaper964 votesThank god that totally makes much more sense now. Quick question so if your target gains more AD will your bonus AD increase also or do you have to re-kill him/her/it?
RiotMeddler31 votesIt's based off their AD at time of kill. If they get more AD it'll be valuable to kill them again.
J Eevo2 votesSo how does it work with Jhin? I'm assuming he's some sort of special case since he'd just give Zed a maximum amount(I assume there's a cap) very early because of his passive.
GrReaper966 votesOk so now i kinda like this new Zed. Personally i love the way this is heading, giving Zed an actual unique playstyle and adding towards the "forbidden" theme
dragon1xx3 votesOn the contrary, it kinda sucks. I mean it basically encourages Zed to camp bot (LIKE RENGAR BEFORE TROPHY REWORK) and delete the same old adc over and over again. He also has no incentive to ult the mid laner if they are AP scaling.
Limrick10 votesADCs don't get a lot of AD early on. The top laner is more likely to be the high AD target unless it's a Nautilus or something.
Tychusfindlay9193 votesADCs don't get a lot of AD early on. The top laner is more likely to be the high AD target unless it's a Nautilus or something.
I dont particularly find zed ganks troublesome, if he knew what was good for him, he'd gank bot.
Pierce The Veal5 votes
Watch him build entirely around killing and surviving against darius.
In fact, this might be the rise of bruiser Zed. Build some AD, kill the high AD target, bam insta tons of AD.
InHaruhiWeTrust37 votesany context on vs . jhin gets 2-3 times more AD than any other champ in the game and his entire team will be punished for it. i personally hate this "scaling with enemy strength" mechanic and was incredibly happy to see it removed from veigar ult. I honestly can't believe this horrible mechanic has not only come back, but it's come back with a vengeance. this is just unnecessarily rewarding zed for killing the the same champs he already wants to kill regardless. i mean it's just plain redundant.
veigar's passive punished AP champs for buy the items that they NEED to build. zed's is even worse in that not only does it punish AD champs for building the items that they need but it also punishes your entire team for your adc building AD... is it not bad enough that you just lost your adc?
one last thing(there are more problems i have, but i don't wanna make this any longer) is that its essentially a build in throw mechanic. zed has a natural upper-hand against ALL adc's simply by existing. so even when ahead the adc will still lose to him in a fight. if zed's adc wins lane then great, zed will still kill the enemy adc. if zed's adc loses then great, zed will still kill the enemy adc, but now he gets even more for it. in a sense zed wins regardless.
sorry for the rant hope for an honest reply.
Limrick2 votesI assume it will be AD before multipliers, which is what Jhin's is. So Zed probably gets only the AD from runes and items.
Death and Doom4 votes^ this tilts me too, jhin interaction is going to be weird. but mainly, its really jacked up in a lot of ways. if the enemy adc is jinx and she gets crit, he wont get as much ad as if it was a lucian with the ghostblade-cleaver build. that just messed up, in both ways he did his job, but he is rewrded more because the luci built what was best for him???
secondly, what if the adc got rekt in lane, but the nidalee jg is huge. zed kills the nid jg to help his team.... and gets almost no ad because nid is ap. thats messed up. adds so much rng into the game.
if i could get a response clarifying this that would be great, but imo not a good way to go.
TucuReborn11 votesRNG is when something is random. Him killing a target that is not high AD is not RNG, it is a decision and a cost-benefit analysis. However, it is almost ALWAYS benefit.
Let's examine this.
Zed hits level six and roams bot, where the opposing Sivir has been crushed and is easy fodder. He gets an easy kill and picks up her AD due to his new passive. He benefits, while setting Sivir farther behind.
Next, a few minutes later, he runs into Nidalee or some other AP champ that is farther ahead. He successfully kills them via outplay. Now, if they have a higher AD, he takes that into his new passive. If not, he keeps the AD from his previous kill.
If he must choose who to kill between them, and he picks their AP carry, while he might not update his passive, he still has made an impact and done his job. If he kills the weaker ADC, he might update his passive and be more useful overall, along with getting an easy kill and making it a 4v5. This is not RNG, but a decision that is impactful. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Death and Doom1 voteswell after checking a few things out, zed has lost bonus ad from w, so its still a bit weird, but is not as strong as i previously thought.
AetherKingdom2 votesit's simple. don't pick jhin into zed or ban zed if you want to play jhin. stupidly hard counters exist in this game already. try picking any assassin into zilean and see how much fun you have
InHaruhiWeTrust2 votesit's simple. riot was supposed to work on him to balance him and make him better to play against, but they made him worse(unless the numbers are so low that it doesn't matter in which case they did nothing). i'm tired of banning zed his ban rate is 44% which if i'm not mistaken is the lowest it's been for a long time. these changes will increase his ban rate no matter what since even if it doesn't make him OP, the increase in play-rate will make sure his banrate goes up. if he is broken then he will go back to being perma banned. either way... everyone loses...
Silverjust2 votesIt is already almost impossible to protect yor adc from zed. And now he gets his AD from killing them. They didn't change anything to make him more fair to play against. Zed will still be permabanned
Wizardavar1 votesZed doesnt not get ad buff on W.
Silverjust1 votesBut I would say thats not what gives him unhealthy gameplay and why nobody wants to play against him. I think this new Ult-passive would be a good idea if it would bemore difficult for him to get near the adc. Taking away his dmg everywhere won´t solve that.
RisenDarkKnight1 votesI don't think the mechanic will be too bad in general (remember he's losing the "free" bonus AD from his W, so saving your adc from Zed will hurt his damage), but I agree the interaction with Jhin will be broken. That's silly if Zed gets like 800 AD (from building 5 AD items and killing Jhin) if the enemy team has Jhin, but only like 500 if the enemy team has an ADC like Caitlin/Jinx who build 2 attack speed items in their first 3 so they won't have much AD till late game, and then still less than half of what Jhin gets.
Tychusfindlay9192 votesIt's based off their AD at time of kill. If they get more AD it'll be valuable to kill them again.
Yikes, so if he manages to kill a champion while theyre using an AD steroid...
Like, if he somehow is able to get a kill from darius during noxian might. Thas gunna be one big ass zed. I know the situation may not always be a common occurence, but that just sounds dangerous as hell
Or if he kills late game jhin... Forget about it.
Steelflame4 votesSomething I'm specifically wondering about for normals. Does the bonus stack on 2 zeds? AKA killing each other each time increases their total AD to infinity and beyond eventually?
SonicÐeHedgedawg2 votesSooooo... I'm hearing “don't blind pick Jhin” then
Tik1151 votesWhat about the Nightstalker with Vayne combo? You've already made her so much stronger (the Q Buff basically making her silver bolts redundant and making it so you can't pink her stealth on the change) is Duskblade going to melee only or are you going to put nerfs onto Vayne in exchange for her using the item?
Salron1 votesDoesn't that mean he'll gain a ridiculous amount of AD for killing a fed crit Jhin or Fed ulting Riven?
Sinlaire2 votesJhin yes, Riven no. Riven's ult is a 10% damage increase across the board. not a 10% AD increase. So ult or no ult Riven wont be able to feed Zed more atleast.
makes you wonder about 
though. what if he kills you through it? will he get a portion of the bonus AD from the Sterak's pop?
Hanabanashii2 votesSterak's gives Base AD on itself and its proc, so no not really.
Civet102 votesrivens ult doesnt increase damage by 10%, it increases your AD by 20%, so i think it would work
ProfDrDeath4 votesVayne sounds more broken than it actually is going to be, after a bit of thought:
ArbiterOfTruth1 votesThe scaling for it is actually 50 + 200% Lethality. Duskblade now provides 20 Lethality so just with Duskblade you are getting 90 true damage on-hit. Just for clarification.
RG Velean1 votesBut again, she would have to stay in stealth the entire duration to get the true damage, and it'd be difficult to do that in situations.
Spoofghoul1 votesbut then again
grabbing all 3 lethality items gives vayne a ton of ad and extra mobility as well as squishy nuking power
fyi grabbing all the flatpen from runes and masteries + all the elthality gives you more arpen then pretty much any squishy would have as armor
so pretty much everything is now true damage
vs tanks she still has the absurd amount of flatpen on top of tons of true damage
then you can still grab 2 zeal items if you want crit so badly and get lifesteal from runes/masteries aswell as some protection from the new sup item your sup likely bought
and stealth no longer has counterplay so that alone will be reason for me to permaban vayne
Mimy3 votesWhy is everyone talking about zed?
I'm more scared of this item on Vayne... o-o
GrReaper961 votesDepending if it has cd or no this could be really scary especially with 1-shot vayne builds
Talisid1 votesI've heard that you need to stay stealthed for at least 1 second before the ability will activate. Vayne doesn't stay invisible long enough for it to work.
I could be wrong though.
GULAG 4 U1 votesIt's not good one vayne. You need to stop attacking and lose dps to proc it consistently.