i enjoyed the old man destroyer zombie juggenraut from hell riding his footles legg on a ride to narnia
but from a certain time he is silent and idont see anyone playing him he just died ... and he doesnt even seem to be nerfed hard
Ser Garland9 votesPeople thought he was bad when he first got his rework. Remember when he was just reworked? With the insane low mana costs on all of his abilities and the ridiculous amounts of damage he did in lane by shouting minions at people?
Only then, after his nerfs did he see a lot of play, no doubt because some LCS picked him top or jungle with the new Cinderhulk and people stopped buying fighter items on him and saw him for his true full tank potential.
But like everything, the LCS get bored with their flavours of the month and move on to other exploits, and the sheep follow suit. It's not that his recent nerfs gutted him or anything, he still has the same strengths and weaknesses as before.
Personally I think its the counterpickability he has currently (Vayne) and his overall clumsiness makes him a hard champion to master.
I haven't seen many Maokai's or Malphite's top recently either.
Joquan5 votesThe reason sion isn't played in the LCS is because others do his job better.
Need a mega tank who can CC for days? Pick maokai with an AOE damage reduction. Need initation who can disrupt for days while doing damage? Pick gnar with his multiple forms of damage, and game chaning ultimate.
Before his nerfs he was strong because he was a tanky lane bully that could force others out of lane on a low mana cost. Now that his reliable damage is removed he is just a CC bot and there are others for that.
rG Thundrag7 votesthe w nerf pop changing to 3 from 2 hit him really hard alongside the early game nerfs as you can't use it as a trading tool since it gets destroyed before you can use it and in the jungle its so low in early levels a single attack from each mob in a camp destroys it making his clear incredibly slower
Ultîma1 votesThis was the biggest offender to me. Nerfing numbers is fine when a champion is obviously overpowering others (Sion is supposed to be a huge tank, no need for him to be able to burst anyone on top of that) but Riot decided to make his W far less responsive, which in turns makes Sion frustratingly sluggish in a skirmish. They should revert that nerf and lower the explosion damage if anything.
1011001110001 votesWhat's sad is I pointed this out the day the nerfs came out and people told me I was crazy.
B0MBSIGHT5 votesThis is coming from someone who mained Sion in the jungle, after the shield was nerfed I noticed my winrate with him dropped sharply, so I stopped playing him. The double shield nerf was ridiculous as it reduced both his burst and survivability. I am not a fan of this as the nerf goes against riot's new philosophy of gradual nerfs/buffs. Riot should have chosen one nerf, see how it affected gameplay then either switch nerfs to compare or go ahead with the second one. I hope they revert it some day, but when riot forces a champ out of the meta it usually stays that way for a while.
Elkington1 votesSion isn't flashy enough.
Based on Riot's nerf history, anyone that's not flashy gets double whammied when it comes to nerfs.
Edyr4205 votes[deleted]
zzerakku1 votesLMAOOOOOOOOOOO
BetaDude402 votesBetter be careful, the forum moderators really hate anything that even alludes to stuff like that...
EDIT: It happened.
For those wondering, it was a swastika made out of Vayne icons.
Edyr4202 votesbut it was funny...
ZACKandATTACK4 votesHe is still good, but his lane phase isn't as safe or abusable with the e nerf
McSatan4 votes
having the highest pickrate in the game is a pretty big factor.
Sinlaire3 votesIt's because everyone is now jungling and anyone else that can get their hands on devourer if they don't have the self loathing (read ego) to play her jungle and because there are others that can top just as well as he can without having to live off 
and a now easily predicted and nullified passive.
edit. yes. i see that that is literally one massive run on sentence. i also see that i'd rather add a foot note apologizing for it over fixing it. reasons.
Joquan2 votesIf you see them play vayne jungle, I want you to meet 
his friends 
Or you can abuse the fact that they picked vayne jungle and will have literally 0 lane control for a good portion of the game. Pick that lane bully, ( 
) and make vayne's team cry for lack of jungler or late game scaler ( 
) and destroy everyone on their team.
Sinlaire1 votesthanks for the tip.
sadly only works in draft and ranked.
I play blind with my friends with fresh lvl 30 accounts. and by fresh i mean one hit 30 a few weeks ago and one is 29 (practically drinking age i mean right? anyone?)
long story short that obsessive darkness wh*re is wrecking blind pick and team builder. no counter picking.
O Fallen Scholar3 votesProbably why Sion fell out from the meta a bit = (this bitch is the most popular champion)
Crett2 votesDoubled HP gain is all he needs BAWHawhawhawhawhaw
rockdalian1 votesI've picked him for cpl games late game beast with an incredibly slow early game in 3v3 me and 2 friends fed 15 kills before our first kill and won he is incredibly strong just gotta farm to late game kinda like nasus
Lugg1 votesHe is still insanely hard to kill late game with good CC and initiation. He is fine.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesmaybe he is ... played him a while before
it was a 4v5 game i was vs vlad on top
after being babysitted by zac i won the lane and got some good farm
in mid game i ulted 4 ppl in mid lane and they died before they got back on the ground
so sion certainly snowballs well and we won a 4v5 by a giant stomp
i dont know how will he handle the jungle ... there is a load of cheese he can pull with his passive
he certainly feels weaker ... and his base damage feels to fall off by rather quite much
ill explore him ... he was such a fun champion .... would be a shame to lose him
Meep Man1 votes
We could make his W health gain scale per level like before pre-rework like... 1.5/2/2.5/3/3.5, increased to 6/8/10/12/14 health for large monster and champion kills. This way he is truly the HP KING!
OxBaker1 votesI used to play him but there's far better choices these days. A shame because the rework was really well done...
Blade of Justic1 votesI'd be fine if Sion just drops off the face of the game.
Not that I find him OP or anything. I just hate his rework so much that I'd rather he just be deleted.
Blade of Justic1 votesI think it's because a Tank has a death passive.
Talk about an oxymoron.
Minrog1 votesA guy named Alukka from the LPL team World Elite still wins with him a lot. Pretty much the only time I see him played professionally.
He probably got hit too hard in his laning phase, but I think it's likely that Maokai/Gnar will get reduced rather than having Sion be buffed.
rockdalian1 votesA guy named Alukka from the LPL team World Elite still wins with him a lot. Pretty much the only time I see him played professionally.
He probably got hit too hard in his laning phase, but I think it's likely that Maokai/Gnar will get reduced rather than having Sion be buffed.
quas used him cpl weeks ago and won on tl but yeah his shield sucks one hit from miss fortune level one pops it that's the dumbest shield ever that a basic aa can null it and deal damage cuz it's that small
NemeBro1 votesPost-rework Sion was borderline OP status for a while, and more importantly seemed fucking invulnerable to nerfs ("YOU CAN'T EVEN SCRATCH ME!"). It was only when Riot realized that the source of this nerf invulnerability, his shield, was the problem that he really felt the decrease in power. Trading with Sion is a lot less safe than it once was due to how weak his shield is early on. I think he's still very strong, one of the single tankiest champions in the game, especially when played as a full tank Cinderhulk jungler. Theoretically, a Sion that farms well enough can make back the gold from Cinderhulk while buying little to no HP due to his health gain from farming. Due to this Sion scales better with resistances than any tank in the entire game. I do think it would be nice if Sion's nerfs prior to the shield were reverted though, particularly the one which makes his Q hurt jungle monsters and minions less.
SS Enforcer1 votesAbsolutely not. I was one of the first people who started maining the reworked sion, and i admit, afte the shield and E nerfs i stopped playing him for 1 or 2 months. Lately i've been trying him out, and i must tell you, the changes are not that noticeable. Sion remained this indestructible, shouting meatshield, and i couldn't be happier that i made this discovery.
EDIT: It is correct that vayne has the highest pickrate, but if you have a team behind your back, that bitch is not a problem.
Hat1 votesUhm, Sion is quite strong stil, right?
Slamurai Jack1 votesHe's balanced now, but that isn't enough for him to see play because only the most OP tanks on each patch are ever played. Notice how nobody plays Sejuani anymore?
junglerboy161 votesHe got hit too hard because they didn't tell us that they actually nerfed his Q damage to minions from 90% to 60% instead of the 80% that they claimed in the notes and tooltips. if they gave him back what they said he should have then he would be fine and balanced again.
Cenobite Azaziel1 votesActually his opness came from his E, that had high base damage and the %. Sion could clear the top lane and poke at the same time, with almost no mana. After that they nerfed his E mana cost, his base damage and the % damage.
Champion Skin1 votesSion E has never done % damage however it does reduce armor by % on the FIRST target hit
Cenobite Azaziel1 votes[{quoted}](name=Champion Skin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fOEVKhTK,comment-id=00150000,timestamp=2015-07-29T19:40:47.124+0000)
Sion E has never done % damage however it does reduce armor by % on the FIRST target hit
"If the target is a minion or non-epic monster, they are Airborne icon knocked back, **dealing 30% increased damage to all enemies they pass through **and Slow icon slowing them by the same amount for 2.5 seconds. Projectile enemies stop upon colliding with terrain or reaching the end of their trajectory." sure, it ain't % hp damage, but it is a % that amplified the damage. I guess it was at 60% before the nerf.
captain cobra1 votestoo*
CasterGilgamesh1 votesthe thing that really bothers me is that i used to get the shield first when jungling as him to stay alive and clear but riot nerfed that so now the shield dies before i can even use the damage i really wish jungle sion was buffed i'm not very good laning anyone got any tips for laning as Full tank sion?
Champion Skin1 votesYou can activate the shield before hitting the camp?
CasterGilgamesh1 votesi did that but i would have to wait so that i could detonate it for each camp and i could not do it more than once
TheVishual1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hagane No Arashi,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fOEVKhTK,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-07-28T23:39:13.969+0000)
i enjoyed the old man destroyer zombie juggenraut from hell riding his footles legg on a ride to narnia
but from a certain time he is silent and idont see anyone playing him he just died ... and he doesnt even seem to be nerfed hard
His playstyle was un-interactive... you can't kill him in lane so he just farmed up to be a late game mega tank and killed everyone. That plus the lvl 1 cheese he can do with his ult, pretty un-fun to play against.
Kind of glad he got nerfed
Ipols1 votesBecause Vayne has orgasms seeing the enemy top has a Sion and currently Vayne is Fotm. I still like Sion a lot but has a lot of mana issues and needs to fill the right team comp imho.
The 5tig1 votesI don't believe sion got nerfed that hard. I believe his lack of play comes from a power shift to magic damage champions with recent buffs to AP items in 5.13 and and 5.14. He's still viable because he deals mixed damage, but AP heavy bruisers have benefited greatly from the item buffs, and pure tanks like Sion have suffered due to direct nerfs in Riot's attempts to break the "Tank Meta"
Puppet33r1 votesWell his only reliable source of cc and dmg got nerfed on 2 fronts simultaneously(manacost and dmg) and please stop talking about zoning he can't zone instant dashes and flashes especially in tfs
