I don't understand fizz.

MunchCrunchLunch·Jan 9, 2016·2 votes·671 views

For the type of champion that he is. I don't understand how he can 1v1 master yi. for pretty much any point of the game. can we get a longer cooldown on his untargetable ability. i mean he uses it to engage. you gank him. he gets away with a disengage with it. the cooldown is simply far too low. he can E during my alpha strike. and unless i can kill him in that 5-6 seconds period. i am dead. which doesn't really happen until i have 3-4 items. but still it could go either way at that point. I mean take away the damage from his troll pole. make it a plain dodge/untargetable ability. or just increase the cooldown. i mean vlad pool has almost twice the cooldown of fizz's trickster.

11 Comments

AlakalzamJan 9, 20164 votes

What don't you understand about it? If it really concerns you, get some MR on Yi and a Quicksilver sash to get rid of his ult (you'll still have to move out of the circle). Profit.

DarthSpectrumJan 9, 20164 votes

Actually, Yi can beat Fizz if you time your abilities right.

Obvious, Yi would have a difficult time early; however, Yi should absolutely destroy Fizz late game. Yi with Sated Devourer, Guinsoo's/BoTRK, and Mercurial Scimitar can easily defeat Fizz.

In a 1 v 1 situation,

Activate your ultimate and run up to Fizz, don't Q. (Only bad Yi players Q to engage) 1.5. Once you reach him, activate Wuju Style.
If he begins to Q in, you can avoid with your own Q. Likewise, if he throws his ultimate instead, Q him. 2.5. If you somehow get fish stuck onto you, pop QSS.
AA him.
If he jumps on his troll pole anytime, activate meditate. Only deactivate it once he lands.
Continue to AA him.

Yi has insane damage with just a couple items. If Fizz has ~ 2000 health late game, Yi can literally kill him in around 2 to 3 seconds. If you built right and activate Mediate immediately, you should be able to mitigate a lot of Fizz's damage.

Fisherman FízzJan 9, 20161 votes

Someone that understands [zombie-brand-clap]

Ship 0F DucksJan 9, 20161 votes

^ that and you can just run out of his poll range as soon as he gets on it, dont need to W it, save that for another spell.

Fisherman FízzJan 9, 20162 votes

If you take away the damage from E, he's going to become weak since it has a 75% AP ratio and It's a part of his combo, as for the cooldown of the ability itself, it has been that way since Fizz came out in 2011 and I don't think its gonna change, people have been complaining about "Fizz E op" for years. 1v1 master yi? Well other assassins can do it too why would Fizz not be able to, even Kha'Zix in his weak state.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 9, 20161 votes

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If you take away the damage from E, he's going to become weak since it has a 75% AP ratio and It's a part of his combo, as for the cooldown of the ability itself, it has been that way since Fizz came out in 2011 and I don't think its gonna change, people have been complaining about "Fizz E op" for years. 1v1 master yi? Well other assassins can do it too why would Fizz not be able to, even Kha'Zix in his weak state.

but kha zix can because of his burst. fizz. because you cant fucking hit him the entire time. fizz. does damage. goes untargetable. lands. does more damage before you even land a hit on him . why is that even a thing

Fisherman FízzJan 9, 20162 votes

You said Yi can't 1v1 Fizz at any point of the game, well... the E cooldown on Fizz around level 6 is 12/10 seconds how can't you hit him? Kha'Zix can kill Yi because of his burst, Fizz combo will kill you like other assassins like Zed/Talon, I don't really see the issue, also yi can become untargetable if you Q a target at the right time ex: minion/monster to dodge Fizz ult/E

Thats just my opinion.

Edge of DaybreakJan 9, 20162 votes

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but kha zix can because of his burst. fizz. because you cant fucking hit him the entire time. fizz. does damage. goes untargetable. lands. does more damage before you even land a hit on him . why is that even a thing

It's almost like assassins are meant to kill squishies or something. Lategame you get 4 seconds to do whatever to fizz. He isnt untargettable 100% of the time. Also league isnt a 1v1 game anyway. If you cant do anything in 4 seconds to a most likely building squishy melee chances are you were already losing heavily. Yi lategame can shit on you in that time.

Fisherman FízzJan 9, 20161 votes

Exactly, lategame sated yi can make sushi out of Fizz

Fisherman FízzJan 9, 20161 votes

Also to add up, if you build Yi properly and not full damage you can get a item 3102 and all the sudden he cant engage on you without losing part of his burst giving you the advantage.