Giving the armour pen passive on last whisper and the armour shred passive on black cleaver the same name?
Seems too obvious, but prevents stacking % pen on assassins and adcs.
Zane Zephyr3 votesBlack cleaver has armour reduction, which reduces the target's armour for everyone, and is completely different from armor penetration
kasfas2 votesYes, but that doesn't mean they can't make only one of them apply. Similar to maw and steraks.
Asayake 5150glow3 votesYes, but that doesn't mean they can't make only one of them apply. Similar to maw and steraks.
Well, no, because Maw and Steraks both shield you.
kasfas1 votesNo, maw doesn't shield you if sterak's pops first, and vice versa, the shield cooldowns are shared as well. You still get the buff of size, ad and lifesteal from both because they have unique procs, but you can't get shielded by both.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesno, maw doesn't shield you if sterak's pops first, and vice versa. You still get the buff of size, ad and lifesteal from both because they have unique procks, but you cant get shielded bu both.
I meant that they're both shields.
Zane Zephyr3 votesI-What?
They did that because they didn't want people like graves building them at the same time and being insanely tanky while building damage
Cleaver and last whisper use two completely different armour shredding mechanics and you can't just be like "fuck you only one will apply" when they are two separate and different instances of application, that's not how this game works or gets balanced
kasfas1 votesWell, there are still issues with certain champions, mainly assassins and some adcs, who build both items to shred through a tanky team. While I'm not against them doing some kind of relevant damage to tanks, they shouldn't be able to ignore so much armour.
Aditionally, the mechanism used for procing the shields on both maw and steraks are different, but only one will apply because they are bought to fulfill very similar roles. Similarly, the hydras both only allow the use of one of their passives or actives at the same time because they are intended to fulfill very similar roles. The same restriction, or at least a similar one should apply to different kinds of % reduction / % pen of armour that every champion can purchase, to prevent excessive synergy with two items that are meant to fulfill very similar roles.
And i know they recently changed cleaver and LDR to have worse stacking stats with eachother, but there are still cases where the two items when built together can be overbearing.
Asayake 5150glow2 votesGiving the armour pen passive on last whisper and the armour shred passive on black cleaver the same name?
Seems too obvious, but prevents stacking % pen on assassins and adcs.
Why question is then how do us bruisers deal with tanks and juggernauts?
They should focus far more on making Cleaver a bruiser item, because assassins and ADC's keep abusing it to get tanky, too much dps (CDR), and too much armor shred (ADC's have enough dps to not need more than an LW, assassins shouldn't be dueling tanks/armor stackers in the first place).
That being said, it should be kept viable for duelists who need to deal with tanks (
) while most of them can use an LW, Cleaver already synergizes well with most of them as they are the intended recipients of the 20% CDR.
doodlebob6661 voteswouldn't really change much the ad would get last whisper, but someone else would get black cleaver considering it doesn't matter who stacked it the target would still have their armor reduced