Does anyone think Graves is balanced?

Serpentine Grace·6/12/2016, 8:34:22 PM·47 votes·4,506 views

Recently i played against a graves who had 413 ad and 121 armor and around 133 mr. He built a bloodthirster and Death's Dance and instantly healed all damage to dealt to him with a q and and aa. How can someone be so unkillable while building full ad? Is he still viewed is balanced? I just don't see what was fair about it.

73 Comments

z63XnLCMwX6/12/2016, 9:45:26 PM46 votes

I see him dash around plenty without tripping or falling over, that must mean he's pretty well balanced.

Serpents Embrace6/12/2016, 11:43:51 PM8 votes

The amount of healing any champion can get with the Warlord's Keystone, Death's Dance and/or Bloodthirster is broken. Graves is just the worst abuser, I think, because he has high damage values (meaning more healing from the above) along with high bonus resistance buffs in addition to being ranged.

If they do address this, I'd hope that they would avoid nerfing Graves more and instead get to the root of the problem. I've seen other champions abuse this as well. It's especially annoying as a Mage player as I no longer have access to any similar avenues of healing.

FourVsFive6/12/2016, 9:32:34 PM7 votes

You know an ADC is strong when they can jungle well.

MLDzXnRRR6/13/2016, 9:37:45 AM5 votes

He deals high damage, but his DPS is crap with that reload. You need super high AD or full armor pen for your abilities to hurt lategame. I hate playing vs Graves, but he is not OP. Try to play him and you will see that he is not a free win.

OurLestrade6/12/2016, 9:48:57 PM5 votes

I don't know, but I definitely stopped enjoying him after his rework. Not a fan of clunky gimmicks :l

Xenos111116/13/2016, 5:16:34 AM5 votes

I just played as Nasus, got 700 stacks in 25 minutes and one-shot everyone with 1 Q while healing half of my health bar at the same time. Enemy called Nasus broken. Guess what he's not broken, that's just what happens when you let a Nasus free farm.

Same story with Graves, and a lot of other champions for that matter. Let them get fed and they become unstoppable. Have you even seen Vladimir?

Also, I just checked the game in your match history. Graves was Diamond 5 while the highest on your team was Gold 4. It's likely that he just outfarmed and outplayed your team, and nobody on your team had enough items and damage to kill him.

archerno16/12/2016, 8:51:50 PM5 votes

Hes a bit weak atm. I believe he got overnerfed.

Oakleaf Ranger6/13/2016, 2:17:04 AM4 votes

I think this guy still needs a nerf. He has great clears along with the ability to kite camps and take very little damage thanks to his E. His E means your not gonna kill him before he kills you or that he can stall long enough for someone to help kill you. And his W allows him to chase or duel very well. I wouldn't have an issue with this on its own but when he can just go back into the jungle because he take no significant damage from camps with only half a jungle item is when I have a problem. Reminds me of a better version of Shyvana but ranged and CC.

Left Hook Larry6/13/2016, 1:11:53 AM3 votes

He's cancer and an example of a shitty rework. Took an adc and turned him into and jg/top

MaxDarkwill6/12/2016, 9:15:47 PM3 votes

If he has a lot of mr and armor he dashed alot . CC him then use grievious wound to shut his healing down

Wolfram Oxford6/13/2016, 12:46:08 AM3 votes

He is balanced. Every champion gets hard to handle when they are fed, unless they are a support. He has short range and his shit tickles tanks.

I Do Pew Pew Pew6/13/2016, 8:07:58 AM2 votes

His lifesteal is higher with one item, than Aatrox with 3 lifesteal items + his W.. I remember old times when Graves was normal ADC champion , not very hard but not very easy to play , but look it him now.. TOP / JUNGLE / ADC , why? because he's much stronger than he was before .

The Deckowner6/12/2016, 10:20:25 PM2 votes

When you see a champion with over 20% pick ban rate in LCS the champion is definitely op.

Dat Ashe HD6/13/2016, 9:10:39 PM2 votes

Graves is unfair and unfun to play against. Give us back old Graves so this bullshit stop.

Elewd6/13/2016, 4:21:24 PM1 votes

i think hes decent pick, not too strong not too weak. My issue with graves is that i absolutely hate having him on my team when hes jungling, he has 0 cc to assit in ganks and they are always lackluster. I've never won with a graves jungle on my team the other jungler just always out jungles them.

YJRBqwXJcS6/18/2016, 5:09:00 AM1 votes

I once hit a Graves with a full fizz combo

Ignite included

His only Mr item was the brown cloak

He was at 50%hp

He turned around and hit me with a Q auto now we were both at 50%hp

I tried running away because cool downs but he auto dashed auto ed my ass and I was dead.

ADC Genocide12/28/2017, 9:47:27 PM1 votes

The dash gives him armor and he can get a lot of armor but he can normally only keep it when he is in jungle the chance of him getting all of that in a team fight is absurd if he builds full ad and deaths dance and blood thirster are standard on him but just build anything that makes grieveous wounds and you shut him down really hard. If he gets fed chain cc and he will die because he wont be able to get his armor. His E doesnt give him any magic resist anymore and only gives him armor.