I've noticed something about people who say Darius is OP

stealthfox94·Jun 9, 2016·22 votes·14,219 views

They all play top lane champs that he dumpsters. etc. Maybe try gasp ranged top laners.

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ZombeezyJeezyJun 9, 20168 votes

Graves Quinn and who else?

BastionKrossJun 9, 20164 votes

Satan.

AlüeJun 9, 20167 votes

Teemo O_O

stealthfox94Jun 9, 20166 votes

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and who else?

Jayce Vladimir Teemo Gnar Kennen hell even Heimerdinger can go top.

Angry MonsterJun 9, 201622 votes

So the only way to lane against Darius is to play as ranged? yeah that is totally a balanced and logical thing.

stealthfox94Jun 9, 20164 votes

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So the only way to lane against Darius is to play as ranged? yeah that is totally a balanced and logical thing.

I mean Tryndamere can beat him and Renekton Garen Pantheon can at least go even.

Only Play DariusJun 9, 20161 votes

God I hate fighting Tryndamere as Darius. Renekton is easy though at least in my experience

TheThundersRoarJun 9, 20161 votes

Skill matchup. Renekton is easy to pick up but has a very high skillcap. A good Renekton should be able to outplay Darius, given the delay on Darius' Q and bugfix on his E.

AutomatisJun 9, 20162 votes

Dude I fucking hate Renekton lmao. He's one of those champs like Wukong where nobody plays him, but the people that do are all so good at him. I don't think he's OP he's just a wily fucking crocodile.

CabalistJun 10, 20161 votes

Here are good Dar counters/ranged top laners

And uhh ?? Ive seen her in a few comments on this post so why not

69982196_DELJun 10, 20162 votes

I play Annie and Karma vs Darius, he never toches me and I do kill him a couple of times in lane (generally). Also I played AP nunu once, but got reported.

Sona PingJun 10, 20162 votes

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Here are good Dar counters/ranged top laners

And uhh ?? Ive seen her in a few comments on this post so why not

If we are looking at stats, only a few of those counter Darius. A few more go even.

But the majority of the champs you listed are countered by Darius.

WimbledofyJun 10, 20162 votes

tryndamere doesn't really beat him in laning phase. Out of laning phase yes but during laning phase unless all of your autos are crits you likely aren't winning lane against darius.

Pika FoxJun 10, 20162 votes

From my experience, trundle does rather well against Darius. Mostly because you dont really care to run away so he usually misses his healing, and your ult makes you too tanky for him to really kill.

Though id imagine darius would rofl all over you if you get too far behind and choose to fight repeatedly.

Angry MonsterJun 10, 20164 votes

So the point is that the OP says that daruis is not strong and says people are picking bad match ups, but then lists only range champs as counters to the match up.

If only range are the answer then that is a problem. Being melee should not be an auto lose situation.

I personally not aware of what is a good match up and what is not ( jungle main). I think that the OP does not understand what is necessarily healthy though, which is needed before you can have a conversation about what is balanced for any one champ.

42568152DEL1Jun 19, 20171 votes

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So the point is that the OP says that daruis is not strong and says people are picking bad match ups, but then lists only range champs as counters to the match up.

If only range are the answer then that is a problem. Being melee should not be an auto lose situation.

I personally not aware of what is a good match up and what is not ( jungle main). I think that the OP does not understand what is necessarily healthy though, which is needed before you can have a conversation about what is balanced for any one champ.

It's not an auto lose situation. I have beaten Darius( he was bad) with Garen. And I myself was beaten a week ago by a Riven, who was plat 5 last season and now is Silver 1(she was S1 when I last checked and might be Gold already). Why-because she was better than me. It was a 50 minute game but we did lose due to a bad TF-to be honest all the players were good and it was enjoyable and intense, not a pain in the ass. So yeah as a Darius main( S3) I have been beaten by melee champs and I am proud to say that all of them were from a higher division some time the past-last season for example. Ranged champs just fuck him up and you stay behind and wait for a gank and unload everything-pull w ignite ult along with you jungler. But really he can lose to a melee, it's just harder.

Angry MonsterJun 20, 20171 votes

Post is over a year old stop necroing.

2nd Any information after a year of patches is non-relevant to the conversation. when is it was being held certain things did not exist to allow changes of gameplay.

3rd using the metric "I beat a bad Darius" is stupid. Who cares that you can handle terrible player X.

4th My point was about how the OP was saying Range is the solution in a equal skill environment and how that was not healthy for the game.

JbelsJun 9, 20168 votes

Darius isn't overpowered, he's just impossible to deal with for any melee in the game. Except Sion. Boy have I rocked Darius' worlds with Sion. Other than that though, the counterplay to a champion should never ever be, fuck you, play a ranged champion

RalanrJun 9, 20161 votes

How do you beat him with Sion? Every time I lane against Darius on my main I get destroyed.

JbelsJun 9, 20162 votes

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How do you beat him with Sion? Every time I lane against Darius on my main I get destroyed.

It's an ANCIENT SECRET passed down from Generation to Generation of-...Ok, I'll cut the bullshit xD My Sion build incorporates starting Doran's Ring and then buying another Doran's Ring as well as boots and a Ruby Crystal on the first back.

You max E first as well, and what you end up doing is using the stupidly low mana cost of your E and the great mana return from the Doran's rings to basically poke out the other guy without ever running out of mana. It takes some getting used to, but it makes Darius's life hell, because you never have to get too close to him to hurt him

ModAcademy KaynJun 9, 20161 votes

REAL MEN MAX Q

Or, well, just me >.>

CabalistJun 10, 20162 votes

But every time you charge it, he pulls you out of it

Only Play DariusJun 9, 20168 votes

Ranged top lane is cancer though because they shit not only on Darius but also every other melee top not named Irelia or Yasuo (who have such obnoxious kits BECAUSE they need it to deal with ranged bullshit). But as a Darius main I can say there is literally nothing he can do against any ranged champ, not in lane at least.

And the whole point of his rework was to make him less oppressive to melees

SirsirJun 10, 20161 votes

waitwut? When did they say that?! FAIL!

Only Play DariusJun 10, 20162 votes

Well they wanted to make him less of a feast-famine hyperbully who's only real counterplay in lane was to stay away from him. So they did stuff like add a safe zone inside his Q, reduce his attack speed, have his E bounce you off him etc. and move his power into fights with more than one opponent.

He's still a bully but much healthier now than before.

RIP ResonanceJun 9, 20164 votes

Yeah, lemme just play the variety of ranged top laners

Teemo Quinn Graves

Such Wow Many Variety Much Fun

DefendedJun 9, 20162 votes

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They all play top lane champs that he dumpsters. etc. Maybe try gasp ranged top laners.

All of those champions you just said actually counter darius......

SlythionJun 9, 20161 votes

well it's been awhile since I've played top lane seriously but I can tell you right now that Irelia , Yasuo and Poppy are basically hamburgers for Darius so idk how accurate your statement is

DefendedJun 9, 20162 votes

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well it's been awhile since I've played top lane seriously but I can tell you right now that , and are basically hamburgers for Darius so idk how accurate your statement is

Nasus loses to darius early. But eventually outscales him

Yasuo beats up darius as long as he weeves in and out and all ins dar when hes 60%. Poppy yeah kinda easy

BluePolarizerJun 9, 20163 votes

no he doesn't. Darius outscales Nasus. Nasus is exclusively single target melee and until he has 500+ stacks, cannot match Darius's overall DPS with his Q and passive with no items. Once Darius has a cleaver, he does more damage.

Even though Nasus is theoretically infinitely scaling, the actual amount of stacks he gets is more like 500-600 per game, with 800 being the absolute top.

RavenMagusJun 9, 20162 votes

Nasus will be able to outduel Darius eventually.

Nasus early game against Darius is really rough, but he can start outduelling Darius around level 7-8 or so - when he has a couple points in Wither and a few hundred stacks.

That's every lane as Nasus, though. He always gets there, eventually.. just takes him some time.

Then Nasus gets into teamfights, and he has much the same issues as Darius...

KVbqbFsC8eJun 9, 20162 votes

Nasus can duel Darius the moment he has 200 stacks and a Sheen.

RavenMagusJun 13, 20161 votes

Yep, absolutely!

stealthfox94Jun 9, 201614 votes

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All of those champions you just said actually counter darius......

uh......no

DefendedJun 9, 20164 votes

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uh......no

Saying ''uh....no'' is better than providing a argument with evidence I know.

SlythionJun 9, 201610 votes

So does contradicting the OP's statement without "providing an argument with evidence" and instead presenting it as an opinion like this guy did...kappa

CC MustangJun 9, 20161 votes

My 77% win ratio with darius in ranked says otherwise about those countering him.

DefendedJun 9, 20162 votes

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My 77% win ratio with darius in ranked says otherwise about those countering him.

You mean your 68% win rate? Also out of 16 games that has little importance

even then you're fucking bronze 1.... Please stop

PeppurrJun 9, 20165 votes

Saying he is Bronze 1 was unnecessary.

DefendedJun 9, 20165 votes

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Saying he is Bronze 1 was unnecessary.

''I have a 77% win rate with darius and nobody counters me '' - Him

He has a 60% win rate now and considering its out of 15 games not 100 which would be better evidence

that was the most bronze statement ive heard

NineTailedMysticJun 9, 20167 votes

Rank shaming, classic.

DefendedJun 9, 20163 votes

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Rank shaming, classic.

Silver 4 would say that. Why dont you read the previous post

NineTailedMysticJun 9, 20161 votes

Excuse you, I'm Silver 3 :^). Also I've never been below Silver 3. Placed S2 last season, they announced Vic Sivir so I didn't care anymore, placed S3 this season and don't play much ranked.

DefendedJun 9, 20166 votes

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Excuse you, I'm Silver 3 :^). Also I've never been below Silver 3. Placed S2 last season, they announced Vic Sivir so I didn't care anymore, placed S3 this season and don't play much ranked.

Doesnt matter. My point was someone saying ''LOL BRO I HAVE 70% WIN RATE WITH DARIUS DONT EVEN TALK '' when hes bronze 1 and only played 15 games with darius IN BRONZE elo means absolutely nothing..

After his post he said irelia beat him up so he agreed to my previous statement..

NineTailedMysticJun 9, 20161 votes

The fact that he's Bronze doesn't matter. What does matter is that it's completely anecdotal evidence with a small sample size.

It Hertz When IPJun 10, 20162 votes

Normally I would be the first to help shit all over someone who's rank shaming, but in Bronze, the concepts of "who counters who" are often really fluid, with matchups often determined purely by luck and individual skill.

SlythionJun 10, 20162 votes

There are some situations where it's simply to easy to counter someone but you are correct, in bronze the whole champion matchup thing is generally non-existent.

This is why when you ask anyone on how to climb out of bronze they will respond with "play your best champ"

SirsirJun 10, 20161 votes

Not a single one... Poppy is the only one that stands a chance, and I'm pretty sure she still gets annhialated, because interacting with an enemy champ isn't a thing in top lane

DefendedJun 10, 20162 votes

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Not a single one... Poppy is the only one that stands a chance, and I'm pretty sure she still gets annhialated, because interacting with an enemy champ isn't a thing in top lane

Yeah had to search you up because that was a bronze statement with bronze experience...

Irelia dumpsters darius

Poppy will not die to darius

Nasus outscales darius

Darius sucks.

SirsirJun 15, 20161 votes

Irelia is a skill matchp that snowballs, but it starts in Darius's favor (although tbf that IS old experience, new Irelia might can win)

Poppy will not farm vs a competent Darius

Nasus gets dumpstered by Darius before he can scale, he isn't even an autoing champ so wither is less effective

Also you seem to be one of the reasons league has its reputation, not a single comment thats not spitting sh♥t. No one cares dear