Why are no supports considered for large-scale game play work?

chipndip1··3 votes·963 views

Janna : Solo queue monster that just CAN NOT be nerfed enough, apparently. Karma : Functionally sound, but really uninspired and dry in execution. Lulu : Fucking annoying when she's good. She's good when she has hyper-carries to boost into your nose. Can't really play around anything she does outside of "hit it more" or "hope I don't get stepped on now that I'm a small forest critter". TahmKench : QTPie himself had to talk to you guys about his ridiculous W. Yeah, he doesn't gain MS towards enemies, but that's kinda minor when he's a support since he's in the back or middle of his team with his squishies, anyway. I wouldn't even want a major rework, but I'd love some power tweaking so his W was less of a massive "fuck you" to nearly anyone and anything. Sona : No one thinks she's good for anything until she's too good at everything. Regardless of if she's good or not, she feels like she's fucking garbage all the time, and that wreaks of game play design that's unrewarding to play or play with for most of the population of players. There's extremely little skill expression to balance her around, anyway. Morgana : Flex pick mid, so she only half counts, and she's only confirmed eventually because of Kayle, who left the support role ages ago. Worst part? She's probably the last person I'd give major work to on this list. Zilean : Man looks like an N64 game. His passive just makes him way better in the mid lane. Him being a flex pick is fine, but how that's being accomplished atm is just clumsy. Soraka : Unless she's freaking bonkers, she feels like she's hardly able to do anything, period. You can't stop anything from happening or start anything up. You just heal, and healing kills you while people kill you. Leona : Only good when her burst rotation puts you in the hospital just by thinking about it. Outside of that, she's usually the last tank support on anyone's mind. She's like Blitz where she's strong early and her whole kit is dedicated to a strong pick, but her kit sends HER to FIVE ENEMIES, rather than bringing THEM to FIVE ALLIES. Of course Leona's gonna fall flat when Blitz is literally "Smart Leona".

Like, we got PLENTY of space to fix some discontent with the support roster that's been piling up over the years, but as far as I can see, Riot doesn't have a single thought to tackle any of them in the near future, or even foreseeable future. Why? I don't like it. There's very few supports people ACTUALLY appreciate these days, like Rakan (even if they're salty), Bard, Thresh, Braum, and Nami. Why does no one care to really fix this issue? Hell, who knows? Maybe by improving on some of the more lacking designs, like Sona, Leona, and Soraka, you can take the edge off of supports like Janna?

And yeah, I made a thread calling out assassins that leap without looking, but I'm a fair guy, so I'm able to double back and call something like this out. A lot of people don't appreciate the game play of support champs these days, as it's really 1-dimensional and doesn't really allow them to work around what they do. Not saying shields are bad, but some champs are just entirely defined by shit you can't work around, like Janna and Lulu. Sure I can be hard on assassin players for not being smart about targeting, but I have to agree with them when it comes to how little one can do about some of these supports. Other supports here, however, just feel bad to play in 2018.

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Shiftmys65 votes

Then main support and see how it feels

chipndip11 votes

You're joking, right?

Boltonator2 votes

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You're joking, right?

I would like for you to main support as well, since you act like it’s the easiest thing since blinking.

chipndip13 votes

You're actually joking.

https://i.gyazo.com/9c8703659e265abafb4915c69417a34f.png

Like really...

Edit: So two randoms tell me to main support and get upvoted. I show that I have like 3+ million mastery on support champs...and get downvoted? Really damn classy, guys. Really.

Big Lincoln2 votes

You have to remember what forum you're on and then you won't be surprised at the type of people you're putting up with

Big Lincoln2 votes

bronze telling diamond support main to main support and see how it feels

big thinking right here

Beerstein3 votes

I feel like a majority of your complaints are team composition/opponent composition based.

Like your comments on Sona/Soraka "Unless she's freaking bonkers, she feels like she's hardly able to do anything" that's indicating counter picking, or lack of unless you mean past iterations of the champ. I mean, if someone picks sona into a tanky composition they're gonna have a bad time.

chipndip12 votes

You do realize that people say this about literally any decent team comp Sona can be picked into, right?

Assassin? Bad time.

Tanks? Bad time.

Divers? Bad time.

Mage supports? Bad time.

Literally anything? Bad time.

Maybe just maybe we can stop making excuses?

Winterwings1 votes

I read this comment while listening to a remix of Undertale's Megalovania and i nearly fell outta my chair :D

xelaker1 votes

supports always sound amazing on paper man

chipndip12 votes

That's not really the point of the thread but alright...

Big Lincoln1 votes

because boards is majority support mains and they still can't even get to gold with the easiest kits in the game

Winterwings1 votes

I see you ditched Sona alltogether this season... It's kinda sad that i have to say that i'm not at all surprised considering the state she's in right now...

Also

Soraka : Unless she's freaking bonkers, she feels like she's hardly able to do anything, period. You can't stop anything from happening or start anything up. You just heal, and healing kills you while people kill you.

That's pretty much what i feel like in 95% of the games i play her in, and while i'd love for my main to be able to do more than just healing while slowly commiting suicide and throwing down a occasional silence aoe... Something tells me that if that were the case all the aggressive playmaking support mains (Not gonna name names, but y'all know who you are) would raise their collective pitchforks against it. xD

chipndip11 votes

I didn't drop Sona because of how good she is or isn't in solo queue. I dropped her for other reasons.

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