Fizz nerfs?

Glîtchy·Apr 28, 2017·7 votes·1,310 views

When will they be needing Fizz? I mean pretty much any time they say they'll nerf him it gets reverted, and they decide to give his W 120% of his AP if it hit's with his mark on the target, plus almost anything he does procs the mark.

28 Comments

ÅeolusApr 28, 20174 votes

Why do you think he needs them?

GlîtchyApr 28, 20171 votes

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Why do you think he needs them?

E to become invulnerable then comes right out of it instantly killing and can do this every 4 seconds on full CDR then as I stated, his W needs a nerf.

ÅeolusApr 28, 20171 votes

Lyseth ; - ;

GlîtchyApr 28, 20171 votes

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Lyseth ; - ;

Look I would have no problems with his W if his E COULD NOT deal damage or just make it deal very little damage.

ÅeolusApr 28, 20171 votes

It deals damage based on how many times he auto attacked you.

GlîtchyApr 28, 20171 votes

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It deals damage based on how many times he auto attacked you.

If you mean his E, tell me how it nearly kills me as Naut super tank without any autos beforehand.

ÅeolusApr 28, 20171 votes

Maybe it was early in the game.

GlîtchyApr 28, 20171 votes

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Maybe it was early in the game.

I have Fizz, I read up on his abilities and it said at max it scales with 120% of his AP.

ÅeolusApr 28, 20173 votes

That's his max range ult.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Fizz/Abilities

Fisherman FízzApr 28, 20172 votes

Must be the ult, the AP ratio depends on the distance traveled (from 60 to 120% AP)

Fisherman FízzApr 28, 20172 votes

No way he would do that much damage to a "super tank nautilus", did you have enough MR to compensate the fact he might have had a void staff? Was he fed? Any fed champion can do damage you know.

GlîtchyApr 28, 20171 votes

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No way he would do that much damage to a "super tank nautilus", did you have enough MR to compensate the fact he might have had a void staff? Was he fed? Any fed champion can do damage you know.

I had Zz'rot, Banshee's, Guardian Angel, Merc treads, Deadman's and Warmog's.

Fisherman FízzApr 28, 20172 votes

Untargetable, 6 seconds on 40% CDR and his W is 100% AP not 120%

GlîtchyApr 28, 20171 votes

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Untargetable, 6 seconds on 40% CDR and his W is 100% AP not 120%

When I checked it, it said 120%

Fisherman FízzApr 28, 20172 votes

Unless they changed it, the fully charged W active has 100% AP ratio

GlîtchyApr 28, 20171 votes

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Unless they changed it, the fully charged W active has 100% AP ratio

I'm just telling you what it displayed when I read it before posting this.

Fisherman FízzApr 28, 20172 votes

I've just checked ingame and the wikia, the ratio of fully charged W is 3 times the regular non empowered (33.3% AP ratio)

That adds up to 99.9% AP ratio

AwhegarkApr 28, 20172 votes

Fizz only a problem in bronze, silver, he is not strong in high elo.

AaravosApr 28, 20171 votes

He is strong in high elo, just with a different build

alfavhunterApr 28, 20171 votes

how to nerf fizz

double the CD of playful trikster at all ranks
playful trikster gets CDR every time fizz attacks a marked enemy champion

the goal of this change, his ability to fight will be the same, his ability to run will be noticeably nerfed and his laning safety will also be nerfed

it should be that if he uses his combo to attack and has the 45% CDR his E would still be near a 4 second CD, but if he is running it will be ~10 second CD

i havent number crunched how to do this for what the exact values should be but this would be a reasonable nerf to the fish as its targeted at his ability to run not fight

Pommel KnightApr 28, 20171 votes

And that's how you make tank fizz even more op, now he can jump every sec while killing your back line and ap can't do shit.

alfavhunterApr 28, 20171 votes

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And that's how you make tank fizz even more op, now he can jump every sec while killing your back line and ap can't do shit.

no, thats when you lower the base damage values as well because he has insane ap scaling already, make him have to build ap to kill things

sadly riot pritty much enforeced bruiser shaco with their latest Q nerf : /

Pommel KnightApr 28, 20171 votes

So you nerf his e and w and r? So he gets what? Q does 80 dmg max rank, that doesn't do dmg. W you want to nerf and a champion can't survive just on scaling. Especially melee assassin with no escapes that has to 100-0 you or he is dead.

Do you see the problem? if you nerf the cd and base dmg you either have to make it so he can delete everything or give him even more retarded scaling.

alfavhunterApr 28, 20171 votes

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So you nerf his e and w and r? So he gets what? Q does 80 dmg max rank, that doesn't do dmg. W you want to nerf and a champion can't survive just on scaling. Especially melee assassin with no escapes that has to 100-0 you or he is dead.

Do you see the problem? if you nerf the cd and base dmg you either have to make it so he can delete everything or give him even more retarded scaling.

well idk shacos base damage and such is shit and he succeeds because of on use / on hit items

Pommel KnightApr 28, 20171 votes

Shaco has double aa with r, crits every few seconds, has cc on a basic ability, % hp dmg, blink that allows him to move and is made to work with aas and mind games. He can burst you while you don't even know he's there.

Fizz needs to wait 2 sec for w dmg, e makes him untargetable but he cant move besides the abilities range, q is just a dash with little to no dmg, r can be body blocked. Fizz works on burst at once, shaco comes from behind fears you and aa's you to death.

You can't compare apples to oranges, Fizz isn't shaco and needs base stats. He;s not going to go titanic and other shaco items and jungle, he has to go in lane where it's not so safe as the jungle.

alfavhunterApr 28, 20171 votes

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Shaco has double aa with r, crits every few seconds, has cc on a basic ability, % hp dmg, blink that allows him to move and is made to work with aas and mind games. He can burst you while you don't even know he's there.

Fizz needs to wait 2 sec for w dmg, e makes him untargetable but he cant move besides the abilities range, q is just a dash with little to no dmg, r can be body blocked. Fizz works on burst at once, shaco comes from behind fears you and aa's you to death.

You can't compare apples to oranges, Fizz isn't shaco and needs base stats. He;s not going to go titanic and other shaco items and jungle, he has to go in lane where it's not so safe as the jungle.

the reason thats how shaco works is they gutted his ability to actually assassinate and forced him into a bruiser build

the only time he can assassinate is mid game if he gets ahead, has thunderlords, has a hexteck item or trinity force and rift harald buff, and if hes still 1 killing the adc late game its cause their an idiot for not building a item 3156 to negate damage on the thunderlords, E damage, and rift herald buff shaco can only work as an assassin if ahead or the enemy squishy doesnt build appropriately for it.

assassin shaco (ad/ap/or hybrid) has a lower winrate than bruiser shaco for a reason.

hes the only assassin with a good portion of his damage and CC easily negated by 1. not turning your back to him and 2. using the free 0 gold required sweeper items, most of the damage shaco deals isnt even from him, its thunderlords and rift herald that provides a good 30-40% of his burst unless he got severly ahead and built full assassin with no resistances, but then, he popes just as easily as who he is trying to kill

shaco is only winning right now because his E abuses the burst from the above mentioned damage sources due to the missing hp damage

Mr DreamchaserApr 29, 20171 votes

Let fizz Be 😎

RipMaNibbaRakanMay 20, 20171 votes

Why not remove/rework him? Like honestly, for EVERY nerf I see happening to him I see a buff in return. He is 0 fun to play against, why bother. Cancer champ