When can "Enchanters" not be "Janna and the forgotten ones"?

chipndip1··1 votes·405 views

Like, when do we do something about Enchanters in general so that the whole sub-class isn't 75% defined single-handed by Janna? She's an evergreen pick that's always relevant and creates this huge negative stigma for all the other Enchanters, however Idk if this is because Janna's too good or if it's because the other Enchanters aren't good enough, or if it's both. I'd love for Riot to actually care, though, instead of just throwing out random item changes like it fixes the problem...because it hasn't, it doesn't, and it won't when they do it the next time.

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FOR JUSTICE4 votes

It seems you've never seen a good Lulu.

But janna is the poster child because shes just that easy to play, its actually difficult to misplay janna being that her entire kit revolves around "cant touch this (or that adc)"

chipndip12 votes

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It seems you've never seen a good Lulu.

Who gives a flying fuck about Lulu right now? Organized play? Janna. Solo queue? Janna's like one of the highest win rate champs...again...again...again...again...again. Lulu's only "super op" when hyper carries in general are super op on top of tank supports not being good enough. Janna's just ALWAYS FUCKING GOOD. Is that not the point of what I wrote in the op?

Like what other support is going to wriggle their way into the meta even when the meta calls for supports in the entirely OPPOSITE direction? The hell is this champion?

ChaosThief1 votes

It's more or less an issue with Janna's kit as a whole. She has two sets of disengage, an area heal, a shield that also grants AD, and a point and click slow.

Basically, she has too much that a marksman wants. Lulu can give attack speed, movement speed, the on hit bonus of pix plus a shield, and an ultimate that increases health. She also has a skill shot slow. Compared to Janna, she lacks disengage, and the multi-use functions of Lulu's kit ends up with no ideal scenarios compared to Janna's "never let them touch the marksmen" strategy. Not to mention that attack damage is more useful than attack speed to a marksman, while also protecting them.

Janna is honestly a woefully outdated champion that should at some point receive an update just to make it more interactive between herself and her enemies; right now you have no way of denying Janna from protecting someone, and no real way to kill a Janna that's playing from far away (excluding a good assassin, but in a scenario where it isn't just Janna and the marksman, that's fairly unrealistic (not to mention that Janna will just force the assassin back and they will likely die to the rest of Janna's team.)

That's just my two cents on the matter. It's not so much that the other enchanters are bad, it's that Janna provides too much.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

When Lulu ardent meta flourished, Lulu went from "unpopular troll pick support" to "pocket pick for egirls". Actually, that should include other enchanters like Sona and Raka as well, but they also contribute to why people hate enchanters.

Riot could give us actual skill expression or actual deciding power in terms of who get to live or not so we would actually have some importance instead of being braindead "heal"sluts.

chipndip11 votes

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Riot could give us actual skill expression or actual deciding power in terms of who get to live or not so we would actually have some importance instead of being braindead "heal"sluts.

I actually want a Rioter to really talk about this topic specifically. Like REALLY, without the "Pretend we're having a conversation by asking me arbitrary questions so I can fill in the answers for you." hat-trick.

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