GP was one of the most balanced top laners..... and you nerf him ....

zarxus1234·Feb 14, 2018·1 votes·614 views

GP is one of the few top laners that if they get ahead don't 1v5 the game. He is gankable when he gets ahead unlike most top laners.

Yet camille, fiora, akali nothing. These champions are dominating the game. There are so much better than gp. Just because the lcs has a no rush 45 min right now.... doesn't mean that all the champs that scale are op right now.

BTW the best jungler in the game (which you probably have no idea who that is.) is receiving no nerfs.

Please understand whats going on in the game before you start making balance changes. Because you have no fucking clue.

16 Comments

LokisaurusFeb 14, 20186 votes

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Malix FarwinFeb 14, 20181 votes

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gp was literally one of the most busted tops, quick question, have you ever been out of bronze?

I think even bronze yyou can tell GP is busted.

SEKAIFeb 14, 20184 votes

Blame Riot, because they don't wanna nerf Klepto so they nerf GP.

Unless they nerfed both, I'm not the most updated person on upcoming patches.

LokisaurusFeb 14, 20181 votes

Ye, obvious low elo answer, blame rito for me not playing well enough e.e a good gp could easily climb to d1+ carrying most teams.

SEKAIFeb 14, 20183 votes

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Ye, obvious low elo answer, blame rito for me not playing well enough e.e a good gp could easily climb to d1+ carrying most teams.

I think I missed the point of this reply.

Just saying that it is pretty true that GP was never this borked OP before Klepto became a thing, as well as that for some reason instead of nerfing Klepto Riot nerfed GP instead.

Kai GuyFeb 14, 20181 votes

Well, I think its reasonable to nerf outliers, lower the rune power hits him, and everybody else. As things stand he is a bit to strong because of the rune + kit, but others still use it need it and like it but are not making game health an issue. So I think GP is a good place to target a nerf.

If you think the rune itself provides to high of power to a large pool of champion and not just a few outliers Nasus Gangplank Ezreal then I would be happy to hear your perspective on that further.

Hauling AsheFeb 14, 20182 votes

How about them balanced crit barrels for 1800 hp, amirite boiz?

And A Real HieroFeb 15, 20181 votes

Lets ignore the fact they also ignore your armor and slow you down to a crawl while gp runs 5 circles around you setting up a new batch.

redniwediSFeb 14, 20181 votes

Personally I don't have a problem against GP, but that's because I play a champion that can do very well against him if you play your cards right. I reliably beat him in lane, and even with his Klepto gold keeping him going I can outfarm and out tank his poke regardless of whether he has a sheen or not.

That said GP is a horrible experience to most top lane champs, because he's a coward that presses Q and runs away. The coming nerfs don't effect his aggressive brawler playstyle that much, only his cowardly sit on a barrel and run one, so I'm all for these nerfs.

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 14, 20181 votes

GP was hardly balanced.

Akali's hardly dominating right now. She's a bit above 50%, I believe, but she's hardly dominating.

Camille just got nerfed, or is getting nerfed. I forget which.

Fiora, dominating? Since when? She hasn't been good since Bramble Vest started existing.

Best jungler in the game receiving no nerfs? Let's run down the list of possibilities:

- Press the Attack recently got nerfed, and was why she was top-tier.
- See above. Except was only "A" tier instead of "S" tier.
, , and all other tank junglers - Aftershock got a damage nerf. Brought them down a bit.
Most other junglers: Damage across the board too high for everyone.

Kai GuyFeb 14, 20181 votes

Zarxus1234 is a good example of why I dislike players who exclusively 1 trick a single champion discussing balance, many of them do not show any understanding of game health beyond their limited interactions with the game. Every time op posts it shows things from a perspective of how does this interact with Shaco . Its not my wish to be unfair to the guy, its just clear to folks who experience GP and have frustrations with his kit there are some current balance issues, and the health of the game needs to be considered by more then just Shaco . Perhaps I'm wrong, if you entertain that notion I encourage you to check OP and his post history and look at it from the exclusive perspective of a Shaco player. I did, and I feel it colors his opinions strongly.

Aggressively making claims about understanding balance and game health when you come from a very narrow perspective with out making effort to explain where your bias comes from creates a influx of downvotes and negative feedback. The attitude of take my word as law, disregards the experiences, frustrations, and opinions of others. Its necessary to provide some form of proof when you make a references to game health, there is no other way to try to reconcile some ones disagreement with your contrary points.

@zar I fear that your going to deflect, draw attention away, and not answer peoples questions bluntly. This is my expectation from your previous posts. Please provide proof other then take my word for things if you wish to be treated seriously and fairly.

zarxus1234Feb 14, 20181 votes

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Zarxus1234 is a good example of why I dislike players who exclusively 1 trick a single champion discussing balance, many of them do not show any understanding of game health beyond their limited interactions with the game. Every time op posts it shows things from a perspective of how does this interact with . Its not my wish to be unfair to the guy, its just clear to folks who experience GP and have frustrations with his kit there are some current balance issues, and the health of the game needs to be considered by more then just . Perhaps I'm wrong, if you entertain that notion I encourage you to check OP and his post history and look at it from the exclusive perspective of a Shaco player. I did, and I feel it colors his opinions strongly.

Aggressively making claims about understanding balance and game health when you come from a very narrow perspective with out making effort to explain where your bias comes from creates a influx of downvotes and negative feedback. The attitude of take my word as law, disregards the experiences, frustrations, and opinions of others. Its necessary to provide some form of proof when you make a references to game health, there is no other way to try to reconcile some ones disagreement with your contrary points.

@zar I fear that your going to deflect, draw attention away, and not answer peoples questions bluntly. This is my expectation from your previous posts. Please provide proof other then take my word for things if you wish to be treated seriously and fairly.

Then who is the best jungler in the game right now? You probably have no clue. When i say top lane has a 90% winrate in my game if they win lane. It goes both ways.

Its funny no one mention gp at all but once he was played in lcs everyone is screaming how broken he is.

All you do is troll threads and have no argument to what i say.

High elo is dominated by those 3 champions that i listed and not gp.

Kai GuyFeb 14, 20181 votes

Sorted by overall statistics. http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend&roleSort=Top Plat +. Gp shows up ahead of the three you listed, currently #1 spot. If you don't know why this matters, the websights made to analize and place champions off their performance in roles. http://champion.gg/faq/ By the numbers. GP Damage > the 3 you listed. he is #1 for tops in this stat. Gp damage taken < the 3 you listed. Gp win % > 2 out of 3. Camilla enjoys a 0.21% higher then gp. but the next you listed would be Fiora at a 1.47 behind him. GP cs > 3 listed. He is #1 Fiora is 13, Camill is down at 35th. Akali 44. Player base game average Gp > 3 Pick % Gp > 3. Again takes the #1 spot. Also gp ban % > 3 I will grant you that all 3 of them do average more kills per game then GP, But they also average more deaths. Lets look at the overall kdas. Akali 6.83/6.14/4.96. Camille 5.85/5.46/5.69 Fiora 5.50/5.65/4.56 Gangplank 5.06/4.91/7.38
So Gp KDA > 3 Gol gain Gp >3 #1 again.

Also just looking at highest elo might be a mistake after all its the player base across many elos that are upset at gp.. lets see. He is >3 in every elo in role position, in play %, In damage, in gold gain, and many times he takes the #1 spot, with him being less dominant mostly in bronze and silver.

So. What exactly back up your statements he was balanced, the other 3 are problems. The game data does not support this. Do you have any insight you can share besides "I said its true trust me" Or the ever popular "LOL U MUST BE BLIND CNT SEE IT, UR TRASH" I'm going to hold you to use some real in game proof, if you cant don't bother responding.

I constantly provide arguments to what you say, you fail to respond and just ask question after question and make inaccurate statements or untrue ones. Again in a majority of your games, you have the same interaction with the game because you only do 1 thing, over and over and over and over. This does not provide the same gameplay experience others have, Stop treating it like it does or it should.

I'm not trying to be a troll, your wrong, adjust your mindset. Theres good reason your constantly being downvoted to oblivion.

Best junglers subjective and changes over the elos. As a rule of thumb I would go with WW as he is highly viable over every MMR. I think shys in a strong spot. Far as pro play goes, Skarners been showing up out of the blue recently, Far as NA goes Zac has seemed to be on a pretty solid hot streak. I don't follow a lot of pro play personally but what I have seen so far looks like Zacs bringing more impact currently then Sej for Na lcs.

zarxus1234Feb 14, 20181 votes

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Sorted by overall statistics. http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend&roleSort=Top Plat +. Gp shows up ahead of the three you listed, currently #1 spot. If you don't know why this matters, the websights made to analize and place champions off their performance in roles. http://champion.gg/faq/ By the numbers. GP Damage > the 3 you listed. he is #1 for tops in this stat. Gp damage taken < the 3 you listed. Gp win % > 2 out of 3. Camilla enjoys a 0.21% higher then gp. but the next you listed would be Fiora at a 1.47 behind him. GP cs > 3 listed. He is #1 Fiora is 13, Camill is down at 35th. Akali 44. Player base game average Gp > 3 Pick % Gp > 3. Again takes the #1 spot. Also gp ban % > 3 I will grant you that all 3 of them do average more kills per game then GP, But they also average more deaths. Lets look at the overall kdas. 6.83/6.14/4.96. 5.85/5.46/5.69 5.50/5.65/4.56 5.06/4.91/7.38
So Gp KDA > 3 Gol gain Gp >3 #1 again.

Also just looking at highest elo might be a mistake after all its the player base across many elos that are upset at gp.. lets see. He is >3 in every elo in role position, in play %, In damage, in gold gain, and many times he takes the #1 spot, with him being less dominant mostly in bronze and silver.

So. What exactly back up your statements he was balanced, the other 3 are problems. The game data does not support this. Do you have any insight you can share besides "I said its true trust me" Or the ever popular "LOL U MUST BE BLIND CNT SEE IT, UR TRASH" I'm going to hold you to use some real in game proof, if you cant don't bother responding.

I constantly provide arguments to what you say, you fail to respond and just ask question after question and make inaccurate statements or untrue ones. Again in a majority of your games, you have the same interaction with the game because you only do 1 thing, over and over and over and over. This does not provide the same gameplay experience others have, Stop treating it like it does or it should.

I'm not trying to be a troll, your wrong, adjust your mindset. Theres good reason your constantly being downvoted to oblivion.

Best junglers subjective and changes over the elos. As a rule of thumb I would go with WW as he is highly viable over every MMR. I think shys in a strong spot. Far as pro play goes, Skarners been showing up out of the blue recently, Far as NA goes Zac has seemed to be on a pretty solid hot streak. I don't follow a lot of pro play personally but what I have seen so far looks like Zacs bringing more impact currently then Sej for Na lcs.

At least you got the skarner part right. You think i care if i get downvoted on THESE forums? When release zyra first came out the people that said she was broken got downvoted into oblivion. Meanwhile she had a 63% win rate. So downvotes are pretty irrelevant.

But serious question... why is it that no one complained about him before he was played in the lcs?

GP doesn't 1v5. While other top lane champs do. Which is why a lot of the top lane mains in challenger don't main him.

GP gets played in lcs. GP gets picked alot. People start banning him because he is annyoing like yasuo. GP ease of farming means he is going to have more cs and gold than other top laners.

When watching high elo streams the champions i listed are the one dominating the games.

According to that site there are a lot more issues than gp.

Actual game play gp might be annoying but he isn't front line for nerfs.

Kai GuyFeb 14, 20181 votes

Early today I said proplay is the new Mobafire, people are using it to copy and paste what others think is viable. I will stand by that.

Next up, Proplay high elo is not the entirety of the game. other elos matter, frustrations matter.

Site used shows GP well ahead of every other top, why is that not cause for nerfs when by multiple metrics he is leading the pack?

You can provide some proof to your "trust me, I watch high streams" by simply listing off the streamers your watching, then in their match history it will show the #'s on the champions your complaining about and allow folks to make informed decisions off in game data, not just your word for it. Link their OP.GGs

Gp is annoying and has many parts of the game he is leading his role, when he is far ahead of other options why would he not be considered unbalanced and not warrant nerfs? Please provide some actual evidence, not because I said so, or your blind to not see it. I will stubbornly be holding you to this if you wish to keep making the claim he was balanced and did not need nerfs.