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If they don't buff fizz on pbe he got MAJORLY nerfed...

Gladiore67··2 votes·676 views

Pretty much what the title says. They did nothing to really help fizz. They tried to improve your waveclear by everyone you q through applies seastone trident which the dot got nerfed in scaling so that won't really do much. They changed his w to be one empowered auto attack instead of empowered autoattacks for 6 seconds with around the same scaling...They reduced point blank fizz ult damage which i'm fine with same for slow and they increased base damage if you hit max range same for slow. They didn't touch his e they didn't touch his passive. All they did was remove his only form of sustained damage, reliable sustained damage anyway that dot hits like a wet noodle on tanks and now in teamfights to kill an adc you have to either land a shark on them or auto them walk around him without getting cc'ed for 2 seconds then w auto him to kill an adc. You have to wait 2 seconds after you apply your w passive to someone to auto them for your w to do pretty much any damage at all. I think honestly all these are are nerfs for him i really hope they realize this and buff him. Edit : This is a rant kinda and hes my main but they removed parts of his kit without really compensating like they should of.

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Paroe3 votes

Why compensate? Fizz has been broken for a very long time; he had obscene mobility and %HP damage that led to unkillable tank assassin fizz.

I like the rework. It took out a lot of the extra things that fizz had which he simply didnt need. Hes in a good place with these changes, he doesnt need compensation of any kind.

Gladiore671 votes

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Why compensate? Fizz has been broken for a very long time; he had obscene mobility and %HP damage that led to unkillable tank assassin fizz.

I like the rework. It took out a lot of the extra things that fizz had which he simply didnt need. Hes in a good place with these changes, he doesnt need compensation of any kind.

You say that until they release the rework and hes pre taliyah buff winrate...

Paroe3 votes

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You say that until they release the rework and hes pre taliyah buff winrate...

Sir. Ive played him on PBE; hes fine. hes very much so in line with other assassins and less "ekko" while fulfilling that "get in get out get back in" fantasy in a way that isnt toxic.

Hes much more standard now, which is greatly appreciated for EVERYONE who has to fight against him.

Talinis1 votes

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Sir. Ive played him on PBE; hes fine. hes very much so in line with other assassins and less "ekko" while fulfilling that "get in get out get back in" fantasy in a way that isnt toxic.

Hes much more standard now, which is greatly appreciated for EVERYONE who has to fight against him.

He is NOT fine, his win rate is going to be around 30% in anything above bronze elo. Reports are coming out that he is super weak and hard numbers confirm it. Players also are not able to get their damage off late as they don't even survive. You talk about removing the tank build, this just PROMOTES IT as he can't live long enough to use his damage otherwise!!!! He actually GAINED base damage while LOSING scaling damage (who does that sound good for???)

Read the damage chart https://www.reddit.com/r/fizzmains/comments/58f351/pbe_fizz_damage_numbers/ and understand that fizz will not live long enough to get out his damage late game and the abilities are SUPER SUPER easy to counter. He has a super bad early and now a bad late. He will effectively be reported for assisting the enemy team if picked under current state. A vayne late game with 2 autos will kill you in .5 seconds but it's ok for a melee only assassin who has no range, no sustain to do half that damage???? Assuming you even hit everything as it is super easy for vayne to dodge at least one and she's far from the only champion. Check out the raw damage numbers in the link above to see how heavily nerfed a 49% win rate champion was.

Assuming you hit everything perfectly, you do ALMOST the same damage on live. However, if you can't, say you are engaged on by a vayne lategame, you lose 34%!!!!!! of your damage. He is very much not in line and don't be surprised if MASSIVE buffs will be coming on PBE, reducing empowered W to 1 second timer, buffs to damage and lowering CDS.

We can push him to live and see who is right. I'll be laughing my butt off at your ignorance when Riot realizes his win rate is the lowest in league they've seen in years and push through huge emergency buffs that'll make your jaw drop.

Paroe2 votes

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He is NOT fine, his win rate is going to be around 30% in anything above bronze elo. Reports are coming out that he is super weak and hard numbers confirm it. Players also are not able to get their damage off late as they don't even survive. You talk about removing the tank build, this just PROMOTES IT as he can't live long enough to use his damage otherwise!!!! He actually GAINED base damage while LOSING scaling damage (who does that sound good for???)

Read the damage chart https://www.reddit.com/r/fizzmains/comments/58f351/pbe_fizz_damage_numbers/ and understand that fizz will not live long enough to get out his damage late game and the abilities are SUPER SUPER easy to counter. He has a super bad early and now a bad late. He will effectively be reported for assisting the enemy team if picked under current state. A vayne late game with 2 autos will kill you in .5 seconds but it's ok for a melee only assassin who has no range, no sustain to do half that damage???? Assuming you even hit everything as it is super easy for vayne to dodge at least one and she's far from the only champion. Check out the raw damage numbers in the link above to see how heavily nerfed a 49% win rate champion was.

Assuming you hit everything perfectly, you do ALMOST the same damage on live. However, if you can't, say you are engaged on by a vayne lategame, you lose 34%!!!!!! of your damage. He is very much not in line and don't be surprised if MASSIVE buffs will be coming on PBE, reducing empowered W to 1 second timer, buffs to damage and lowering CDS.

We can push him to live and see who is right. I'll be laughing my butt off at your ignorance when Riot realizes his win rate is the lowest in league they've seen in years and push through huge emergency buffs that'll make your jaw drop.

You realize the point of the fizz rework was to nerf him, right? Because he was to strong for his mobility, and frustrating to play against?

Of course fizz lost damage, it was the point. He now needs to build actual AP to do damage and cant get by with morellos, lichbane, RoA, SV, and deadmans.

Talinis1 votes

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You realize the point of the fizz rework was to nerf him, right? Because he was to strong for his mobility, and frustrating to play against?

Of course fizz lost damage, it was the point. He now needs to build actual AP to do damage and cant get by with morellos, lichbane, RoA, SV, and deadmans.

The point was not to nerf him, he was balanced at best on live currently, not strong in the slightest. The build was to remove his tank build which they did not. The statement of needing to build actual AP to do damage is laughable. You realize his ratios were nerfed HARD while his base damages has gone up. Also, the only way fizz will be able to take advantage of the new W will be to build tank, you do realize that. Fizz is going to be going his iceborne/triforce, abyssal, sunfire and other tank items permanently now unless he receives big buffs to his ratios and survivability so that he can actually get off the damage. ADC late game kills him in .5 seconds from range, meanwhile a melee assassin takes 2 seconds to do the same. Tank fizz is now the new fizz while AP mid fizz's win ratio will sit at around 35%, no one will even bother to play him mid, only top/jungle. His ultimate gained base damage while weakening the AP ratio. He will NEVER build actual AP with how they have him designed on PBE.

Take away half a 49% win rate champions kit and give him half of it back with extreme situations that will never happen in high elo and you will have a 30% win rate champion. Look at how they just remove 20 base damage from a champion and their win rate drops by 2%. Fizz lost 34%!!! OF HIS DAMAGE. This isn't just a small reduction. This is removal of ever being viable AP again. Squishy AP melee does not have the tools to survive. Give him tools and you can delay his damage. Do not give him tools and he will go tank.
We (fizz mains) have already mathed out the numbers. With just AP ratios, his damage goes down slightly in BEST case scenario while in a typical scenario, the damage is cut in half. With his base numbers, best case scenario, his damage goes UP by several hundred. Average case scenario he loses about 100 damage. But as tank, you can hit the best case scenario more since you can live long enough to proc your w's consistently. So AP fizz is gone and tank fizz is back in.

Today made me realize I actually want him released like this so you, riot and the playerbase can deal with the horror of tank fizz reborn and realize your terrible mistakes. Have fun with every single player going tank fizz and doing just as much as live :)

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