Conqueror is a necessary evil

feintfiend·Feb 16, 2019·4 votes·855 views

Before conqueror was introduced tanks just spent 2100g for and bruisers were invalidated The reason conqueror exists is because tank itemization is so ridiculously cheap and cost effective and straight up overtuned, is an abomination and should never have been made. is overbuffed and does so much damage that its a rush item on proplay tanks Their superior items coupled with absurd base damages are a recipe for disaster Why is allowed to do 16% max health damage on a low cooldown ability with a slow? Why is allowed to do 32% max health damage on an ability that also buffs his auto attack? Why is allowed to have so much base damage?

15 Comments

BoatwhistleFeb 16, 20193 votes

Tanks need to be able to farm and pose a threat to their laners so they need dmg or other champions can low risk harass them all lane phase preventing them from farming to become useful later. Thus they are given these ridiculous stipulation based damage values in order to be able to compete. The advantage that fighters and bruisers have is they scale up their damage way better. Thus the tank will build tanky and the fighter/bruiser will build more of a mix. If you wanna beat down on a tank that cant do threatening damage back to you then just go to the practice tool and wack on the dummies.

feintfiendFeb 16, 20191 votes

So they get damage, tankiness, better teamfighting, CC and utility? Picking a tank should mean you're forgoing a good laning phase for superior teamfighting, why should they get the best of both worlds? How is that fair?

BoatwhistleFeb 16, 20192 votes

it depends greatly on which champs you are talking about. Moakai does have a weaker lane in favor of better team fighting capabilities along with Shen. Darius doesn't need conquerer to deal wit tanks, all he needs is 6 and they don't stand a chance. Olaf can make a joke out of anything in lane and tanks aren't an exception. Gang plank is a fighter with a bad lane regardless, he just wants to scale and will greatly out scale the tanks, in fact he reduces the cost efficiency of tank item when he levels up his e. Urgot is more a lane menace then even poppy.

What champion do you play typically to find those three so note worthy broken?

Moody PFeb 16, 20192 votes

Conqueror isn't even evil. Tank kits and numbers are busted and have forced Riot to make tank items nearly worthless for everybody else. Most conqueror users are mid tier champions.

feintfiendFeb 16, 20191 votes

Legit. I am 100% for removing ALL true damage from conqueror as long as certain tank itemization/damages recieve nerfs in return.

Moody PFeb 16, 20194 votes

I don't mind the items.I mind % damage.

Think about it. Most tanks have % damage on a bread and butter move, not even a situational one like Maokai saps. Poppy, Cho Ornn are all having tons of the stuff on their main trade.

Bruisers are basically forced into 2 items that only give HP (or not even that if it's a raw AD item) on their first two cores. Tank damage only goes up against them for the most important portion of the game while tanks are reducing bruiser damage two fold through HP and resists.

This combined with bruisers consistently losing their own durability through lifesteal and HP regen has made Conqueror necessary. All of it needs to be addressed but likely never will.

RalanrFeb 16, 20192 votes

Poppy’s Q only does a full 16 when you get hit with both procs. Usually she can only land two if she stuns you, or if you just stay in it. Frankly I would rather have all the 16 on the second proc.

Sion has high base damage because all of his abilities are unreliable. His Q can be cancelled or dodged relatively easily, his W can be broken or you can get out of range relatively easily, his E can be avoided by not using your minions for cover (and it got nerfed), and his ult is incredibly telegraphed. One could argue that all Sion needs to do is land his CC to do his full combo, but that’s literally anyone with a CC ability in their combo.

I don’t play Ornn enough to argue for him.

feintfiendFeb 16, 20192 votes

Bruh Sion is best top laner in the game right now. Also Poppy is lowkey very strong and sees a ton of play in high elo korea. If poppy hits you with the middle of the Q you're garunateed to get hit by both procs because of the slow unless you burn a dash. Also if she uses her low cooldown E on you you're garuanteed to get hit by both parts of Q.

BoatwhistleFeb 16, 20192 votes

Do note cost effective items have draw backs. You can build cheap items and get more immediate value sooner however when everyones builds are done you will have bought way less. This bothers me so much I wish they would add more expensive tank items with higher values and better passives. I always think a trinity force of tank items. Both resistances, HP, CDR, Mana, and two passives... one for healing and the other for shielding.

feintfiendFeb 16, 20191 votes

I'm all for increasing the costs of all tank items if Riot wants to keep their stats, or their stats should be nerfed to match their costs.

BoatwhistleFeb 16, 20192 votes

XD that's not what I said and you know it. Every full item is more cost efficient then the components, this means tank and damage. Damage is more expensive but it also has way better scaling in the game. If you check then yes tank items have more stats to gold cost but so does every other full item in the game.

The entire teamFeb 16, 20192 votes

Here come the downvotes...

Honestly, people whine too much about damage dealers breaking even the strongest of tanks, while also forgetting about how tanks dominated the past seasons longer than any damage dealer. Wish they never brought back the tank meta.

Although I do think old Conqueror is a bit on the strong side, it was necessary.

Abibyama IIFeb 16, 20191 votes

Different people with different opinions comes and goes and that sucks for this internet website

The entire teamFeb 16, 20191 votes

It’s a sad time because now the thread is now beginning to zero in on hateful opinions, toxic forceful ideals and whining complaints, while suppressing the constructive criticisms that does not conform to the haters’ whims, positive feedback and compliments, and even questions from newbies.