Since we're nerfing Iceborn Gauntlet, can we make another change?

Melledoneus·Apr 8, 2016·4 votes·448 views

(Melee Only)

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DragonOfTheVoidApr 8, 20161 votes

I ........... FUCKING LOVE IT GIVE THIS MAN A item 2054

ValyrianBladeApr 8, 20161 votes

More reasonable than everyone asking for Sterak's to be melee only.

Alas, still not reasonable.

I still don't understand why there are any melee only or ranged only items. Why can't a melee champion build Runaan's? I don't see how having two extra bolts with almost no range is going to break any melee champion.

Likewise, why can't any ranged champion build Ravenous Hydra or Titanic Hydra? It's not like it would be any stronger than Runaan's on them (I can see maybe building Ravenous for lifesteal instead, but it doesn't look too strong to me).

Outside of the thematic reason (this item doesn't make sense on this kind of damage) it just doesn't make any sense to make items melee or ranged only. Stop limiting our build creativity. And back to the thematic point - that's mute given that I'm building 4 different Swords (e.g. item 3031 item 3087 item 3072 item 3046 ) and that's somehow making my gun / bow do more damage or attack faster.

Dragonlord7137Apr 8, 20162 votes

I just wish they would change item 3053 to %BONUS health as this way you need to build health to get a reasonable shield.

ValyrianBladeApr 8, 20161 votes

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I just wish they would change to %BONUS health as this way you need to build health to get a reasonable shield.

I understand and can agree with the idea, although giving % base AD and % total health still benefits marksmen considerably less than fighters (as melee have higher base AD, and if you're building bonus health they're benefiting from it as well). As is, Sterak's is one of the least gold efficient items in the game, so the shield sort of needs to be pretty considerable without going out of hand if you're stacking health.

Irelia BotApr 8, 20161 votes

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I understand and can agree with the idea, although giving % base AD and % total health still benefits marksmen considerably less than fighters (as melee have higher base AD, and if you're building bonus health they're benefiting from it as well). As is, Sterak's is one of the least gold efficient items in the game, so the shield sort of needs to be pretty considerable without going out of hand if you're stacking health.

The issues is that some marksmen are still getting it because a 600+ shield to reduce the chance of dying from burst is too good to pass on.

ValyrianBladeApr 8, 20161 votes

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The issues is that some marksmen are still getting it because a 600+ shield to reduce the chance of dying from burst is too good to pass on.

My point is that this isn't an issue. The real issue is that there isn't something BETTER for marksman to build, so their best item is something that's already worse on them than it is on fighters. While someone like Graves may be an abuse case, that's an individual champion out of balance. On the whole, marksmen aren't OP by any means, at least not due to building Sterak's. They only build it because they lack a better alternative towards surviving burst, in a meta where even assassins building tank can 100-0 them.