Why is poppy building full crit, yet remains as tanky as ever?

Bultz··4 votes·1,835 views

She needs to be nerfed. Not building a tanky build? Then she shouldn't be tanky. Simple. I don't want to see poppy full crit with damage items killing me instantly while i can't even scratch her. No ty.

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Tahminatrix 9 votes

Because tankyness is like 33% innate, 40% from items, and the rest is from killing/ccing the enemy before they hit you.

FOR JUSTICE7 votes

to be fair

  1. you say "crit build" but her only crit item is item 3086
  2. its nexus blitz, so therefore you probably didnt get to reliably stack
  3. she built lethality first (negating armor)
  4. she was 2 levels up on you
  5. you dont have completed boots. also opting into tabis-randuins is a major help
laughup027 votes

You have double sheen items.

You have completed thornmail instead of bramble when Nasus wants other items first.

Her "full crit" is a Zeal.

Poppy doesn't need to be nerfed, you need to play and build better.

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Considering you were in a special game mode, I'm not sure how well you'd even be able to stack on Nasus.

Nasus stacks fine in Nexus Blitz as long as he isn't inting since stacks are 2x.

Mega Dragonite7 votes

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Bultz1 votes

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TL;DR at the top because I'm nice.

  1. Your build is terrible

  2. Poppy is NOT full crit

  3. Your stacking is terrible

  4. You don't really do anything with the combination of your stacks and build so it's not a surprise you got ran over

  5. Poppy is naturally tanky

  6. I hope Santa brought you a brain this Christmas, you'll need one at pretty much every moment in life.

On the off chance that this ISN'T a troll post, I will go through this step by step and be very blunt about why you are wrong. Consider this your Christmas gift. To preface the remainder of my post, you have the brainpower of a sack of door knobs. Rusty door knobs, not the nice glass carved ones that are found in old, well kept mansions.

I present Exhibit A. Our game in question https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2939291347/208826573

In Exhibit A, we can see Poppy's build. One count Trinity Force, one count Zeal, one count Duskblade. For a total of 15% crit. Now, you clearly lack the ability to do math as a full crit build would end at 100%. However, Poppy only as 15% crit. That's not full crit, that's not even halfway full crit (or halfway not full crit if you're a glass half empty kind of person).

Another point within Exhibit A, your Nasus build. Trinity Force and Iceborn Gauntlet. I won't address the Thornmail until later, that's not nearly as egregious. The only dumber build that exists in this universe are the current plans for Donald Trump's border wall. So out of a large number of builds of item combinations and real life builds of various other stuff, yours is the second worst. There is no reason to sink money into both of these items, they are mutually exclusive since their purpose on Nasus is 20% CDR + sheen effect. If you wanted Triforce sheen effect and armor, buy Trinity + an armor item. If you want the iceborn slow, then buy something that isn't trinity. LITERALLY anything.

Next up: boots. Why are you 3.5 real items in and sitting on ugly shoes? I hope you're more fashionable in real life. Ninja tabis or Merc treads could have made a difference against Poppy (reduce auto damage or reduce her team's stun times).

Now, regarding "Why is poppy so tanky?". Because she's fucking poppy. That's what she does. That's like asking why is gravity keeping me on this planet? Because it does (and Newtonian physics). Poppy is innately tanky due to her design to be a bruiser or tank depending on how she builds. Nexus Blitz is fairly snowbally for whoever gets ahead, so Poppy seemed unkillable. I challenge you to take her build to 5 games on Summoners Rift and see how tanky you actually are. At best, you get resists from your boots + W passive (which only activates on low health). You will die before you can accomplish much in team fights.

I guess I'll be gentle for the only time in this post. Thornmail. Not a terrible choice, but there are better options. The armor is nice for Nasus and the reflect passive works on fiora, but beyond that, you're not getting a ton of value out of it. I would suggest maybe a dead man's plate. Little less armor, little more health, but it makes up for your lack of quality boots. If you feel like crit is actually killing you, Randuin's Omen is a great solution. Health + armor + passive that reduces DPS of attacker + slow that allows you to whale on them longer = good life choice.

Let's address your farming and stacking as Nasus. Exhibit A does not show your final stack numbers, however, I will make some mathematically based estimations instead of just pulling numbers out of my ass. Firstly, I will be generous and assume that you Q stacked AT LEAST half of the minions. 49 / 2 = 24.5, let's round to 25. 25 * 6 (nexus blitz numbers) = 150. I will also assume you Q stacked your kills. 8 * 12 = 96. This gives us our estimate: 150 + 96 = 246. 246 stacks is terrible in a mode where you are given a double reward. There's a reason Poppy was running you over. You don't DO anything. You couldn't scare a toddler with those stack numbers, let alone someone trying to kill you.

Also, your cs is trash tier. I expect Oscar the Grouch is unhappy with it living in his trash can.

Negatron cloak seems fine if you were planning to turn it into a Force of Nature or Gargoyle Stoneplate.

So now, let's finally compare Nasus vs. Poppy in this scenario.

Poppy rushes Nasus to kill him. She procs a Duskblade, both parts of her Q, both parts of her E, gets at least one sheen proc. If she ults, that's more damage, more CC time, and another Sheen proc.

What can Nasus do? Ult, E and Q. Wither doesn't slow down Poppy's abilities or hard CC her. Your measly 246 stacks coming off of a sheen isn't that much damage. So in the time you are allowed to attack, you have no chance of killing her while she can just murder you as she pleases.

You don't need to call in Scooby and the Gang, Sherlock, and McGruff the Crime Dog. We know why you got murdered, you didn't DO anything that could kill Poppy.

Anyways, that's pretty much it. TL;DR is at the top.

Edit #1: 30% crit on Zeal fixed to 15%. I miscounted.

I do appreciate you trying to help by pointing out logic, but you went on and on and on talking about some nasus game and so do most of these posts. You guys think I don't know it's Blitz or that I didn't build nasus 100%? Like sheesh my opinion of her needing nerfs doesn't stem from some nasus vs poppy game. I've played against her for over a year and the interactions and my opinion isn't off one game. Her building only damage items while vsing me over various games on my various accounts and her being overly tanky isn't based off of some blitz game where I'm playing casually. Clearly you can't stack in blitz btw. It's two lanes with 3 people trying to farm....No one is going to give you a free farm lane. I get most people here don't understand, but it's fine. Everytime I have said a champion should be hit it takes weeks for the majority of the people on here to finally see it.

Done255 votes

Okay, the title for the thread is "Why is poppy building full crit, yet remains as tanky as ever?"

Not only did Poppy not actually build full crit, but your build was awful and you failed to farm. Poppy wasn't tanky, you just hit as hard as a wet noodle.

Might as well play Sona support and ask why you can't out bust Mid lane Annie with your Duskblade and Sheen.

Bultz1 votes

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Okay, the title for the thread is "Why is poppy building full crit, yet remains as tanky as ever?"

Not only did Poppy not actually build full crit, but your build was awful and you failed to farm. Poppy wasn't tanky, you just hit as hard as a wet noodle.

Might as well play Sona support and ask why you can't out bust Mid lane Annie with your Duskblade and Sheen.

I love how you morons keep referring to one random blitz game and nothing else. Like fucking read the comments or don't post.

Done254 votes

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I love how you morons keep referring to one random blitz game and nothing else. Like fucking read the comments or don't post.

Then why did you specifically include that "full crit" bit in there? Also, Poppy is the 32nd strongest out of 56 top laners with a 49.84% win rate according ot op.gg. She's not nearly the game carrying death dealer you're trying to make her out to be. She starts out decently okay early on, but then falls off like a rock as the game goes on.

EndlessSorcerer5 votes

Nasus item 1001 item 3078 item 3025 item 3075 item 1057 vs Poppy item 3009 item 3078 item 3147 item 3086

It's a mystery.

Considering you were in a special game mode, I'm not sure how well you'd even be able to stack on Nasus.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Nasus used to stack rather well in it.

But yeah. A Nasus with double Sheen losing? What a surprise.

Super Sandmanne3 votes

lol yeah, poppy of all champions is op. Yup. Poppy.

ı Sona ı2 votes

Poppy has always been the secret ridiculous tank, back from her original form to this form.

Randuins helps mitigate crit damage.

Also: Poppy item 3748 item 3068 item 3046 item 3031 item 3742 item 3047

FemalesAreLesser1 votes

Tanks Amirite?

xDogMeatx1 votes

actually if she is neglecting her tank items you can actually punish her with ap burst aka veigar or stay away from walls in teamfights so that assassination is impossible

Marshbouy1 votes

ayy bro, it's preaseason 9, not mid season 5.

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