Just a reminder: Vi is still in the game

I mean... Where are these champions...?

Overshadowed by Camille.

Vi isn't weak in her own right.

Camille just does everything she does but better.

I see a couple.

Vi isn't really a problem, as much as there's a glorified version of her in the current meta she does well in assassin metas since she can lock them down and burst them, but right now there's champs that do that just well and have god tier gank pressure without 100% reliance on ult.

She probably does need buffs (not damage, more like clear speed buffs) but unless they bring up to OP levels to contest camille, she's not going to pop in the meta all of a sudden as long as she's around. Camille's E is just a better Vi Q, camille has vi's passive pretty much in terms of dueling, and camilles ult can actually dodge shit rather than her having to face tank them to lock somebody down, and camille has vi's auto resets except she can do true damage.

Help her

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you mean worse camille?

yea

I don't want to be that guy, but I prefer NOT seeing her than actually having to play against her.

just played her 2-3 times in months, she was always one of two mains, still can kick ass with her. The game has changed though and everyone blows people up so its hard to be a diver haha

My problem with her was Dark Harvest rework , Old Dark Harvest was really good on her , her early is meh but she is pretty okay later when Dark Harvesr scales, but thar all changed

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Vi is weak on her own, nobody would have a reason to pick her even if Camille didn't existed because she's too slow and telegraphed to succes as a jungler.

Not necessarily, she was actually very potent late season 6 and she was picked early season 7, and thats just off memory, previously she was in and out since release. Primarily Courage of the Colossus Vi was incredibly good and Thunderlords Degree Vi adapted to the burst centric meta of season 7. She eventually got nerfed for being way too oppressive since she could 100-0 literally anybody while stun locking them, acting like a bruiser assassin.

Nowadays, Super metroid (a notorious vi one trick who constantly smurfs to challenger) is still playing her, but there's no real reason to play her over camille unless you one trick the champion. Vi's ganks are solid, but camille's are overall better due to her longer reach, flash E interaction, and true damage alongside PTA synergy, and in a high elo setting you can accomplish the same engage/lock down potential as camille over vi, holding mobile players in an area for an extended time. Being telegraphed and slow has nothing to do with it really, else the current meta junglers wouldn't be meta.

whens the last time you have seen the troll king?

if she ever gets strong people will just complain since her ult is point and click and will prob always result in a kill

maybe if they change it to a skillshot they can put more power into the rest of her kit

I see her every once and a while in low elo and she'll stomp a game. It's not because she's objectively op or anything, it's usually because no one can play around her ult.

We just going to ignore how tanky she gets while still doing all the damage?