Why hasn't pantheon been aatroxed/azired/kalistad/yoricked?

MunchCrunchLunch·Oct 30, 2016·3 votes·1,432 views

its impossible to not feed a pantheon with ignite. its literally impossible to lane against him with anyone that isn't a hypertank that is strong early game.

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Zach SandwhichOct 30, 20169 votes

Yeah it is. Its called manning up, losing a few CS, and playing under your tower.

Darkslayer85Oct 30, 20162 votes

K, so he doesn't kill you but instead gets a free lane of cs and is allowed to roam?

Zach SandwhichOct 30, 20162 votes

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K, so he doesn't kill you but instead gets a free lane of cs and is allowed to roam?

Yeah. Tell everyone on your team to either

A. Play safe, cause pantheons roaming.

B. Be ready to turn into Faker and 1v2 or 1v3 them.

It's the point of playing Pantheon. Just wait out his obscene early-game and fuck him late game.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20163 votes

but i dont wanna have to learn how to play i just wanna login pick any champ and items and win

Zach SandwhichOct 30, 20162 votes

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but i dont wanna have to learn how to play i just wanna login pick any champ and items and win

Exactly I just wanna play my Ghost/heal janna top with SotA and Six Ruby sighstones, Why tf can't I 1v1 an ignite pantheon when hes 7 levels above me WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

~~(I know that isn't what went on here its just a joke don't kill me)~~

MunchCrunchLunchOct 30, 20161 votes

You're joking aright? gets his passive up. chuks a spear at you. good bye 300 hp. his shield absorbs turret shot. rinse and repeat until your too low where you either back off and lose your damn turret and have no fucking cs. or stay and die.

Zach SandwhichOct 30, 20162 votes

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You're joking aright? gets his passive up. chuks a spear at you. good bye 300 hp. his shield absorbs turret shot. rinse and repeat until your too low where you either back off and lose your damn turret and have no fucking cs. or stay and die.

If you consistently play out of range of that spear, and under tower, then you should be fine. Stop complaining about 1 champion who you think is OP when you probably just don't understand how to play against him.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 30, 20161 votes

you're a bronze support main with 30% winrate?. need i say more?

people have complained about pantheon for years and am not the only one. he lacks counterplay and it is why he is on the VGU list. my question is why is he left strong in his condition. yorick and old poppy were complete garbage.

you obviously never played top lane.

Zach SandwhichOct 30, 20165 votes

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you're a bronze support main with 30% winrate?. need i say more?

people have complained about pantheon for years and am not the only one. he lacks counterplay and it is why he is on the VGU list. my question is why is he left strong in his condition. yorick and old poppy were complete garbage.

you obviously never played top lane.

A. I don't play much ranked. I think I've had 7 games in the past month. And I hopped into my Promos directly after I hit level 30 (AKA big mistake.)

B. Your Gold 4, don't act like your all high and mighty.

Pantheon has a large counterplay called staying the fuck away from him early.

Its like a reverse Vayne. You can fuck Vayne all you want early, but if you don't end the game before she gets items, your gonna have a hard time.

Pantheon has an obscene early, so stay away from him and tell your mid/jg (I highly doubt panth is gonna be roaming bot till he has at least 2nd rank ult, and if he does, just push tower cause hes wasting a fuckton of time cause he doesnt have TP.), and then dominate him early.

It's really not that Hard.

SchàdenfreudeOct 30, 20161 votes

Pantheon has an obscene early

Have you been hiding in a cave this whole season?

I think you meant obscene late.

Edit: Sorry the meaning of obscene was unclear to me so I thought it meant that he had a bad early game.

Zach SandwhichOct 30, 20162 votes

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Have you been hiding in a cave this whole season?

I think you meant obscene late.

Pantheon only gets an obscene late if you feed him like a soup kitchen feeds homless people.

CatastropNov 1, 20161 votes

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Pantheon only gets an obscene late if you feed him like a soup kitchen feeds homless people.

Best reply ever.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20161 votes

typically after lvl 6 he dont really gain any strength scaling unless he is super fed

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20165 votes

when panth roams cuz he is bored cuz you wont let him kill you push the wave and take turret

for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction

JhomasTeffersonOct 30, 20161 votes

You can't stay out of range of spear under tower and farm unless youre ranged.

That said I don't find him too op. Hes very oppressive in certain matchups, to the point I would say that there is no counterplay, but in others he kinda is meh. If youre a kinda ranged tank and can build armor early, hes not too bad(aka mundo, or cho). If you rely on aas though there is very little you can do. Hes countercheese cheese toplane. Either you'll have a was to play against him, or youll have to lose lane to not let him snowball, which is a little bullshit, as I think you should have the opportunity to win lane against anyone as anyone, even if that opportunity is very small/requires an insane amount of skill and knowledge of the game. Take the teemo trynd matchup. As trynd, theres very little you can do against teemo, but you still have an opportunity to win against him if you bait his blind, abuse the bushes then spin onto him. With panth theres no way to do that.

Zach SandwhichOct 30, 20162 votes

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You can't stay out of range of spear under tower and farm unless youre ranged.

That said I don't find him too op. Hes very oppressive in certain matchups, to the point I would say that there is no counterplay, but in others he kinda is meh. If youre a kinda ranged tank and can build armor early, hes not too bad(aka mundo, or cho). If you rely on aas though there is very little you can do. Hes countercheese cheese toplane. Either you'll have a was to play against him, or youll have to lose lane to not let him snowball, which is a little bullshit, as I think you should have the opportunity to win lane against anyone as anyone, even if that opportunity is very small/requires an insane amount of skill and knowledge of the game. Take the teemo trynd matchup. As trynd, theres very little you can do against teemo, but you still have an opportunity to win against him if you bait his blind, abuse the bushes then spin onto him. With panth theres no way to do that.

I'm pretty sure I said, your gonna lose some CS. One of those things you just gotta deal with.

JhomasTeffersonOct 30, 20161 votes

I know. Im agreeing if you don't want to feed your ass off against him youre going to have to lose some cs. The issue is that as it is right now, theres not a way for many champs to beat him in lane. Like, absolutely none, which is a little bullshit. Some incredibly one sided matchups can still be won if you play well, but with panth that's not the case. Theres ways for riven to beat garen in lane. Theres ways for karth to beat fizz, but there is no way for teemo to beat panth.

Consider you're also an early game champ who falls off very hard lategame, yet you don't have a way to deal with panth. Losing lane is fine if the rest of your team can pick up the slack, but if they can't youre basically boned. You don't have a lategame to try to farm to or hold out for.

Zach SandwhichOct 30, 20161 votes

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I know. Im agreeing if you don't want to feed your ass off against him youre going to have to lose some cs. The issue is that as it is right now, theres not a way for many champs to beat him in lane. Like, absolutely none, which is a little bullshit. Some incredibly one sided matchups can still be won if you play well, but with panth that's not the case. Theres ways for riven to beat garen in lane. Theres ways for karth to beat fizz, but there is no way for teemo to beat panth.

Consider you're also an early game champ who falls off very hard lategame, yet you don't have a way to deal with panth. Losing lane is fine if the rest of your team can pick up the slack, but if they can't youre basically boned. You don't have a lategame to try to farm to or hold out for.

I like to consider Panth apart of a triangle of counters

Pantheon > MOST melees

Range > Pantheon

Im not going to even touch the subject of how to counter range, as I haven't played against a range top laner that has beat my Shen Top

JhomasTeffersonOct 31, 20161 votes

range> panth

that's why he counters teemo right?

Zach SandwhichOct 31, 20161 votes

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range> panth

that's why he counters teemo right?

Teemo is both

A. Not in a good spot right now.

and

B. Doesn't have any great harass against Teemo (Teemo Auto range is about Panth Q/W if I remember right.) unless he's using auto's to get rid of panth passive then blinding him.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 31, 20161 votes

Pantheon vs Teemo tilts in favor cuz at lvl 3 he can all in with summoner 14 and kill Teemo

Teemo is bad vs casters who can gap close with burst

but Teemo can win the lane... Pantheon passive is active after 4 attacks or abilities and only blocks basic attacks so when you know his passive is up auto him once to negate it and then Q him and auto auto twice ... panth has no sustain in lane and falls off his he dont build pure damage

item 1054 start helps alot vs Pantheon

JhomasTeffersonOct 31, 20161 votes

Have you played teemo into a decent panth. In the situation, you auto, he jumps in and stuns, his passive is back up, he e's, blind is over by now, autos q, teemo/you are dead.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 31, 20161 votes

have you played anything decently ? between you crying here and crying about morg i dont know if you know how to beat anything

PermabannedGarenNov 1, 20161 votes

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I like to consider Panth apart of a triangle of counters

Pantheon > MOST melees

Range > Pantheon

Im not going to even touch the subject of how to counter range, as I haven't played against a range top laner that has beat my Top

Pantheon dumpsters most ranged champions, lol.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20161 votes

http://www.lolking.net/guides/191272

this is a guide by a pantheon main and list of champs he find hard for pantheon

AvienalOct 30, 20161 votes

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Yeah it is. Its called manning up, losing a few CS, and playing under your tower.

And that's the same logic that results in lane super bullies like Darius, Pantheon and Illaoi to just constantly screw with you as they get so ahead in CS they become literally double to triple the lead, even if they don't get around to dive killing you.

Pantheon's cancerous element is the fact he has a target-click range spear throw(just like Annie's Q) combined with a auto attack negate ability, though he could be ruined in match ups against caster type top lane champions like Swain or ones who can still poke strongly at range and 'skip past' the auto damage negating schmick like Gnar spamming his Q. Toss in his ability to instant refresh that gimmick, a damage threshold which makes him go from tankie fighter to pseudo-assassin thru the use of an ability going into a crit-mode fest in addition to his 'global map leap', it can be relatively easy for him to hard damage a enemy down, if they try to run far back, pantheon can just use his ultimate to jump from one side of a turret to behind it, right where the enemy champion has to flee but instead gets greeted by a pantheon jumping down, jumps on them and stuns them and then proceeds to burst them down.

He basically has the cookie cutter kit to poke down and make a enemy not have a chance to escape his one man assassinate parties that easily.

He isn't ungodly bad as champions like Jax and Xin'Zhao, but he can still make it a annoying contest to fight him with his poke and diver style of game play, combined once again 'with champions like him able to turn into tanky assassin'like monsters', due to the power potential tank items can give out a good deal too much.

[zombie-brand-clap]

Plus lets be honest, can anyone here name how many top'lane mage types we have in LoL that are very good and aren't auto attack reliant like Kayle or Kennen and aren't types who would be squishie bad choices in top lane? Obviously the latter much work to a degree but Pantheon still ruins 'part' of his ability gimmick meaning you have to auto him twice with the 2nd one proc'ing the enhanced auto attack which tends to be a pain to do at times and not get ruined by them diving and stunning you to counter burst you in the process.

Zach SandwhichOct 31, 20161 votes

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And that's the same logic that results in lane super bullies like Darius, Pantheon and Illaoi to just constantly screw with you as they get so ahead in CS they become literally double to triple the lead, even if they don't get around to dive killing you.

Pantheon's cancerous element is the fact he has a auto target range spear throw combined with a auto attack negate ability, though it could ruin him against caster type top lane champions like or ones who can still poke strongly at range and 'skip past' the auto damage negating schmick like spamming his Q. Toss in his ability to instant refresh that gimmick, a damage threshold which makes him go from tankie fighter to pseudo-assassin thru the use of an ability going into a crit-mode fest in addition to his 'global map leap', it can be relatively easy for him to hard damage a enemy down, if they try to run far back, pantheon can just use his ultimate to jump from one side of a turret to behind it, right where the enemy champion has to flee but instead gets greeted by a pantheon jumping down, jumps on them and stuns them and then proceeds to burst them down.

He basically has the cookie cutter kit to poke down and make a enemy not have a chance to escape his one man assassinate parties that easily.

He isn't ungodly bad as champions like Jax and Xin'Zhao, but he can still make it a annoying contest to fight him with his poke and diver style of game play, combined once again 'with champions like him able to turn into tanky assassin'like monsters', due to the power potential tank items can give out a good deal too much.

[zombie-brand-clap]

The simple way to deal with this is to stay out of his Q range and either just outright outscale him, or alter your build to be more supportive to your team instead trying to build DMG and kill Pantheon. If you pick a melee, and they pick Panth, don't complain about him being OP, thats his Job. To kill you and then roam mid to get all the lanes snowballing. It's liking picking a ranged into Irelia, then complaining when she runs in and does what Irelia does best, kill ranged Champions.

Are you going to lose CS? Yeah.

Are you going to outscale panth since he failed to kill you enough to get a lead? Yeah.

AvienalOct 31, 20161 votes

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The simple way to deal with this is to stay out of his Q range and either just outright outscale him, or alter your build to be more supportive to your team instead trying to build DMG and kill Pantheon. If you pick a melee, and they pick Panth, don't complain about him being OP, thats his Job. To kill you and then roam mid to get all the lanes snowballing. It's liking picking a ranged into Irelia, then complaining when she runs in and does what Irelia does best, kill ranged Champions.

Are you going to lose CS? Yeah.

Are you going to outscale panth since he failed to kill you enough to get a lead? Yeah.

Actually you're not really paying attention to the other elements, he is quite the 'unfun' type of champion to go up against especially if you rely on a champion that relies on enhanced autos like Fiora and Riven and just like my argument on how BS Sion is, 'playing a champion who isn't utterly boned due to range problems or when a enemy champion such as Sion and Pantheon don't have BS measures to screw around with you.

Obviously he isn't super broken, but he's still a harass stick that reminds me of what a typical top lane match up against a Mundo was like, them constantly throwing those cleavers and somehow hitting every time and i had no way to catch up to them or could burst them down. Though unlike back then several months ago, we now have strong counter type champions who can give the major middle finger to champions like Pantheon.

Namely one of my favorite 2 top lane type champions: Poppy , her W is literally the ultimate shut down device for 'dash/diver' type champions, especially ones like Jax, Xin'Zhao, Pantheon and so on. A while back (you could even check my game history) i played a match in the top lane as poppy and the enemy jungler was a Wu Kong and the enemy mid was Ahri, i had quite a bit of fun making good use of Deadman's plate, Tri'force and Poppy's W to where i could completely shut down Ahri from running around with her R or even deny Wu'Kong from being able to use his own dive ability on me or a nearby ally.

Though in that regard, how many 'anti-diver' champions do we really have that deny a diver type champion that usually require that to ever have a chance of bursting down a target, but are screwed if they get shut down on that? Either way, Pantheon pretty much can be a powerful top laner who can screw up alot of particular 'meta grab top lane champions', just how whenever someone picks Galio Mid, its just to middle finger the AP mid opponent and be a total dick to them and pull off the same gag Amumu does, lock up as many opponents as possible and then just nuke them in the process. Though Darius and Illaoi don't really get affected as much since they basically spew out abilities for their damage, i'm not a fan of how Pantheon can ruin a match for Rivens, Fioras and similar cut of the type champions of the top lane.

Plus even if you play the turtle defensive game against them, they'll very likely get bored and fake a recall by running back only to ultimate straight on your team's middle lane and bum rush that more typically a squishie champion instead. If they can't snowball top lane then they'll just snowball it to another lane instead, especially if they got to CS eat strongly from your turtle play against them.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

RewtOct 30, 20166 votes

A health Dose of Git Gud is in order. you will find it at Walgreen's next to the preparation H

DireXconOct 30, 20161 votes

original AND funny

/sarcasm

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 30, 20161 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

CalabokOct 30, 20163 votes

no, you have your jungler help kill him.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 30, 20161 votes

thats not meaningful counterplay the jungler doesnt always help you.

RewtOct 30, 20166 votes

actually it is. he is an EARLY GAME CHAMP. im sorry that you cant wrap your head around the idea of a champ that stomps his lane early, but if doesnt then is basically useless. early game champs require help from the jungler. that is their whole MO. basically they have to stomp lane or drag enough attention from the jungler that the other jungler can get the other 2 lanes winning. also if you are complaining that you are just getting dive traded by panth thats probably because you are playing either 1) playing a champ with literally no CC or early damage (in this case you should probably pick someone different into Panth) or 2) are melee in a shitty matchup. Both of these things can be fixed by picking someone different into the matchup. its called counterpicking. Also if he picked after you its called he counterpicked you.

Panth is in a fine place in league of legends. utter cancer early, but as the game goes on you can start to beat him. N

Now if you feed him like a all you can eat Chinese buffet for $.35 in Somalia...... well you have another problem

1 800 Top LaneOct 31, 20162 votes

Pantheon falls off at like 8 minutes lol.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 31, 20161 votes

yep... 1-3 strong as hell... bit of a global threat at 6 and down hill from there

RequiemsfireOct 30, 20161 votes

Because Pantheon punishes mistakes /o/

Dominick DestineOct 30, 20161 votes

The correct term is "Olaf'd"

KazukesOct 30, 20161 votes

Didn't read a comment but seriously? Pantheon is easy to lane against, especially with a tank, like most top laners are. Be trundle, sion, or really any other top lane tank and first buy a sunfire cape. GG panth can't 1v1 you in lane.

FallenAngel16Oct 31, 20161 votes

solution to pantheon (low elo)

pick pantheon
if pantheon is taken. pick mundo which is good against him you can farm with cleavers, lasthit only, TP to lane lvl 3-4 with more potions, and once you hit lvl6 the lane is free and you pop your ult on cooldown to heal up and you just cs with cleavers at tower

Sypher The PoroOct 31, 20161 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2321358867/209417324?tab=overview

Because he really isn't that great of a champion. Annoying as all hell yes, but very binary and pretty simple to play around.

Early game, his spears will hurt and do a fair amount of damage but he will run out of mana rather quickly. If he takes Corrupting Potion he has 0 combat stats and will be beat by just about any fighter before the first back. A lot of Pantheon's take Ignite, so if you are struggling in lane just coordinate with your botlane and do an early TP gank.

Mid game he starts to fall off, hard. Other than an ult initiation, his best bet in any teamfight it so walk at the enemy ADC and hope they are blind enough to let him get in range to stun them.

Late game Pantheon is near useless, which is why many transition to a more bruiser type build. His damage falls off a cliff so he can't even assassinate most ADCs anymore and just becomes a W bot.

There is not a single champion in the game that is impossible to 1v1.