Does anyone else hate playing against Fizz?

Diananmen Square··153 votes·13,454 views

Not a QQ thread but...

I can't lie, It's super freaking frustrating when you use your Ultimate as whatever champion you are playing and he goes all "lol nope", and being able to do it again in 5 seconds if he has max CDR.

189 Comments

nark78 votes

Come on guys you gotta learn to bait that shit (he's a fish for Chris'sake, they love bait). Play Ori into him and say goodbye to that stupid little fish.

You have to remember the psychology of Fizz players. They think they're godlike because they play a super difficult champion. So you have to use that against them (kinda like Zed). You gotta butter them up in /all chat. Saying stuff like, "Oh wow this is a tough matchup". When they make a decent play (aka the only play Fizz makes, Q/W in and E out, super difficult amirite?) you have to congratulate them.

And then. When the time is right. You end that fishing trip with a Q->W->R combo. Haha, screw Fizz.

BurningRice6 votes

Honestly ap fizz isn't even that big of a deal to me anymore. Sometimes I do get irritated by the bruiser fizz build tho.

Vistha Kai19 votes

Bait a skill with 5 second CD. Got it.

TotalJerk7 votes

It's only that low lategame. During the laning phase he's vulnerable every time he's forced to use it because he automatically loses his ability to safely trade and escape ganks for a while.

Hellioning18 votes

Got it, will continue to counterpick him in blind pick.

g07h4xf004 votes

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Come on guys you gotta learn to bait that shit (he's a fish for Chris'sake, they love bait). Play Ori into him and say goodbye to that stupid little fish.

You have to remember the psychology of Fizz players. They think they're godlike because they play a super difficult champion. So you have to use that against them (kinda like Zed). You gotta butter them up in /all chat. Saying stuff like, "Oh wow this is a tough matchup". When they make a decent play (aka the only play Fizz makes, Q/W in and E out, super difficult amirite?) you have to congratulate them.

And then. When the time is right. You end that fishing trip with a Q->W->R combo. Haha, screw Fizz.

He wouldn't be so much of a problem if point-and-click hard CC wasn't so rare anymore in the game. The way you counter annoyingly mobile champions is with targetted hard-CC. The problem is, Fizz now goes top lane building full tank so even if you can hard-CC him there's no guarantee he will die. He will go in, kill your squishy, and come out unscathed or (if you hard-CC him for a bit) partially scathed.

Knight SoIaire 2 votes

i don't mind the rather funny response

but i would like a serious one

fizz is in fact a champion who is insanely resistant to missplays ... if i would have to compare zed to fizz i would say that fizz is safer by far

zed can do his ult which is telegraphed ... any tank can just time his cc to hit you after you reach the carry .... then they unload and you are denied capability to assasinate propertly untill you get another ult and its hard for you to even come close to fight

then there is fizz .... walking 1v5 its fine even if enemies burn 5 flashes and even more gapclosers not to mention cc ... having 200 hp and going into a teamfight .... its fine

whatever fizz player can fail ... the trollpole fixes rather efficiently

but what i hate the most is that fizz can feel totaly independent of his hp ... he doesn't care if he has full hp or 100 hp ... he can safely assassinate an enemy and get away with it

im just happy that i meet players who behave like you said ... they are full of themselves and missplay a lot ... thanks to that i have chances

i played some fizz just to see that i got as full of myself s they were after couple minutes... because there was just no punishing me for playing bad

SaltyKracka64 votes

Does anybody not hate playing against Fizz?

Prozzak10 votes

I don't mind it, but then again I don't mind playing vs yas, riven, etc. They keep me on my toes and force me to try to play better, generally ending up in myself having a better game then I normally do.

Anidan3 votes

Kinda the same boat for me. Though, I also play Fizz, so I tend to know when to be more careful and when to be more aggressive. Every time I lane against a Fizz he has a really bad time, similar to when someone knows about Fizz and I'm playing against him, my laning phase will not be a good time. Ah, well. So it goes.

SaltyToplaneGoat16 votes

A simple thing that could fix it:

On his pole Fizz dodges basic attacks and projectiles. Everything that is AoE still hits him.

I mean, it doesn't really make sense when he's jumping on a stick and is suddenly invunerable to a FREAKING PILLAR OF FIRE. Brand

Tyaldan2 votes

Yeah it never made sense that hopping on a delicately balanced trident made you immune to a tsunami, or a flying dragon, or a barrage of cannonballs bombarding the are.

SaltyToplaneGoat3 votes

Wasn't CLARITY a thing riot wanted to strenghten recently or am I missing something important here?

Llanite3 votes

If he's in the air while the ground is burning, he should not take damage, no?

ahferroin73 votes

Except that the ability being refereed to is not just the ground burning, it's a geyser of flames.

Yosuke Apperu15 votes

I'd rather fight a fizz over a few things, vayne for example is one of those things. Not to mention she can condemn fizz mid q -_-

Diananmen Square11 votes

At least with Vayne you can completely blow her up with a pink ward.

However you can't do anything about fizz's untargetability.

TomA3X15 votes

If you drop 2 pinks he becomes targetable

LOL Spammer2 votes

xD

metaworldpeace1012 votes

Yep, regardless off if you think Fizz is OP or not, he's one of the most frustrating champions in the game to play against. His season 3/season 4 full ap burst in a blink of an eye and his new "ad/CDR" bruiser build is just a bad, except fizz is not squishy and is not easy to bring down.

Auryiel9 votes

Let's get one thing clear : Fizz was made with the intent of being annoying

Owlythe7 votes

As bad as it sounds... Fizz is probably the only champion that I'd dodge before laning against. Not play against in general, just if I know I'm going to be the one laning against him. My hate for him is probably more than it should be, but it's just there. If I can't ban him, I'll dodge before going into a game that I know will put me on auto-tilt the second I see him on the other side of the lane. Don't get me wrong. He's not the most overpowered champion in the game by any means -- He's just so frustrating to lane against and his ability to put me, and probably a LOT of people on tilt within' 5 minutes of a game is unmatched.

I think there's a word for that. Not overpowered, but, Toxic.

Orbv1 votes

Toxic would mean that you have slowly decreased the amount of time that you play League because of Fizz existing as is. The game would be slowly dying to you. But you still play it.

It's not toxic, just annoying.

Nameless Voice3 votes

If that was the case, then none of us would be playing this game any more, since forget about champions, at least 7-10% of the players you meet are toxic.

Llanite6 votes

He trades one spell for one, the key is to play someone with cheap harass so the trade costs you less than it does him.

Ori, Teemo, Talon, Ahri, Diana are good picks.

Regardless, opening the combo with your ult is not recommendable. Everyone can dash out of it, not just Fizz.

Fear Popo4 votes

Fizz would rip Teemo and Diana apart any day of the week.

Tannhäuser Gate24 votes

Diana absolutely shits on Fizz

IRicochet Runner6 votes

yea Tanky mid laners tend to counter fizz like Alistar Diana Chogath Galio Morgana Ryze Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar NERF MALZ BUFF FIZZ

SociopathFriend7 votes

Malz is very skill-based, if Fizz lands his Ult on you then you won't be able to get your full ult on him because of the knock-up. He's also got fair odds of hitting you and troll-poling away before you can react; not perfect odds, but decent if you have even a little lag.

Diananmen Square5 votes

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Diana absolutely shits on pretty much anything post 6.

That also works.

Aaravos3 votes

Ori: You need to be very good in shoving the lane and harassing. A good Ori can deal with him if she use her utility perfectly

Temmo: If you want to win forget him. He is fish food.

Talon: Fizz just outtrade him i don't recommend him. And reveal his stealth.

Ahir: She can do pretty well vs Fizz. Mobile enough to survive his all-in, and can poke him down. Maybe the best meta pick vs Fizz

Diana: Same as Talon. If Fizz don't missplay or you don't outplay him he will win.

Good picks against him are Ahri Lissandra Malzahar Chogath

Fear Popo3 votes

^ Add annie to the list of great picks against him; she rocks him.

Lordofthepittt4 votes

Jesus.... I would rather eat nails than play against Fizz. He is sooooo annoying. So safe. Ridiculously anti fun to play against

The Whamboozler4 votes

Everyone hates Fizz. Even Fizz. Behind that obnoxious smile is a ton of pent-up self loathing.

Krucho4 votes

To be fair, I generally hate playing against any assassin.

The concept of assassins is just.. ugh.. They don't play assassin to win teamfights, they play assassins just so they can have a chance to completely rape you in lane for one mistake.

WeFlyNoLie4 votes

That's why I silence him. Garen

Then he can't avoid Demacian Justice.

Axis the Dragon3 votes

I hate playing against Yasuo for more or less the same reason - slippery as all hell, and with one spell can block all your damage

Baiting Windwall/Troll Pole is fun sometimes but it gets annoying when you have to play against them constantly >>

Zed and Riven to a lesser extent. I can't play as nor against them. xD

BoxOfDOG3 votes

Yorick makes the game less fun, while Fizz simply isn't fun to play against.. If that makes sense.

The fact that he's able to 100-0 you while taking no damage isn't fair. His troll-pole makes him not only invulnerable, but also deals damage when he lands.. Talk about an overloaded kit.

Amarulence3 votes

I find it kinda' annoying when I miss my ability because he uses his E, but I don't find him a huge pain or frustrating to deal with, and from time to time I'll play a Champion who he directly counters.

I'm assuming you mean primarily when going against him mid lane, but when I'm in a different lane, I feel he's about the same, and when he's jungling, he seems to do about the same things as he would do in mid lane.

I'm Bronze, though, so take that into consideration XD

SuperLuigiLXIV3 votes

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Not a QQ thread but...

I can't lie, It's super freaking frustrating when you use your Ultimate as whatever champion you are playing and he goes all "lol nope", and being able to do it again in 5 seconds if he has max CDR.

Not gonna lie, what bothers me most isn't how many ults he can make other people whiff, it's the fast that his own ult, even if he misses, sticks around and can still be picked up by a champion, and still hits untargetable champions once attached to them. What kind of double standard bullshit is that?

Tails Doll3 votes

When a champ that has 0 AD scaling has as his most popular build AD off tank, then you know something is wrong with that guy.

Desiderium3 votes

Who DOESN'T hate playing against Fizz? His E shouldn't exist in this game. It's one of the reasons why I sometimes decide against playing; just in case I have a Fizz on the enemy team. That damn spell shouldn't exist in its current state.

Lugg3 votes

I would prefer a 5 man Teemo team over 1 Fizz.

ArkenStorm2 votes

Yes I hate this so much, especially as a Veigar player. and mordekaiser.

Diananmen Square2 votes

Veigar players unite?

SouL1ess2 votes

Not really, considering how you can force Fizz into a lose-lose situation with his E.

PlsTouchMeGently1 votes

Your name literally has the word "tuna" in it. You would kind of expect his shark to eat you xD

Diananmen Square4 votes

I main Rengo, not a fish ;(

SlashStriker1 votes

Fizz uses ulti on MasterYi 5 4 3 2 ALPHA STRIKE

MasterYi has slain Fizz

Fizz uses ulti on Zed 5 4 3 2 DEATH MARK

Zed has slain Fizz

Lugg2 votes

Just use the Fizz E on count 2 and it's an auto kill for Fizz on both champs. EZPZ.

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