Can Lissandra PLEASE get a new passive with the MYMU.

Call Me Nana·Apr 29, 2016·2 votes·1,060 views

Hell, I love Lissandra, shes one of, if not my favourite champion. My name even comes from her E.

but I feel her current state of her pass is.. Her current passive stinks. It just does. 18 seconds for a free spell? How is this ever going to be helpful especially late game.

I mean even nunu gets a free spell every 4 auto attacks, I feel like this would be much more beneficial for her. Maybe even a shield like the new Malzahar passive, at least this will allow her to E in without getting instagibbed (if you dont have hourglass or self ult)

If you're not going to change her passive, can you at least LOWER the time it takes to cast a free spell? Now that mages have NO mana regeneration at all?

** if I am wrong and there's been news about her getting a new passive, please link me :) **

Thoughts?

plz.

19 Comments

LostFr0stApr 29, 20161 votes

She's not getting a new passive.
The new items are very nice on her however so I guess something good came of the mage update for her?

Call Me NanaApr 29, 20162 votes

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She's not getting a new passive.
The new items are very nice on her however so I guess something good came of the mage update for her?

I am looking forward to the frost version of the hextech belt, but I just wish her passive was a tiny bit more useful past level 7ish. ):

LostFr0stApr 29, 20161 votes

Well the other mages don't have regen anymore so her passive is better for seigeing and long fights I guess? Yes that ice-belt does look nice doesn't it? And cdr on Zhonya's and Abyssal--Yes Please.

Call Me NanaApr 29, 20161 votes

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Well the other mages don't have regen anymore so her passive is better for seigeing and long fights I guess? Yes that ice-belt does look nice doesn't it? And cdr on Zhonya's and Abyssal--Yes Please.

Yeah other mages dont have mana regen either, but a lot of them have way more useful passives. and ideally when is a extended team fight ever going to last more than 18 seconds?

I feel as though for the increased cost, and stats - zhonya is at an overall loss. and you need to have levels to make abyssal useful now, which ideally is a good concept, but overall i think could still use some tweaks.

CDR? Yes please. But at the cost of AP reduction and no mana regen, this seems like Im just going to turn out spells more frequently, with less damage and just drain myself of mana and have to B more often.

LostFr0stApr 29, 20161 votes

I'm not saying to rush them >.<" Sorry for being unclear. They pulled all the Mana regen from the good mage items. ROA is a better rush, as is new Morello's depending on what you need.

Call Me NanaApr 29, 20161 votes

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I'm not saying to rush them >.<" Sorry for being unclear. They pulled all the Mana regen from the good mage items. ROA is a better rush, as is new Morello's depending on what you need.

Mana regeneration has been removed from the game all together on items. Including Catalyst etc.

LostFr0stApr 29, 20161 votes

No, it's just been shifted to low AP "support" items. New Athene's is among such items.

QuephaApr 29, 20161 votes

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Yeah other mages dont have mana regen either, but a lot of them have way more useful passives.

When regen is nerfed on everyone, then regen-related passives become more useful. Every other mid laner can't stay out in lane as long without running out of mana, but Lissandra rationing her spell casts can maintain much longer trips than them.

BrahmsauceApr 29, 20161 votes

The passive does the job, yea it's kinda eh late game but she falls off late game as it is. Also the insta-gib protection you want would hide some of her weaknesses she's intended to have. She has to decide to use the ult on herself or others, and/or follow up with zhonyas and give time to her team to follow up.

If you don't like the passive fine, everyone has got an opinion about it (I think it's 'fine' not bad but not OMG AWESOME ). But with the MYMU there's A LOT of items getting mana stats slapped on. Like item 3165 is still the stat stick, and the current passive and lissandra as a whole will be fine. (I suspect she'll do quite well, since she is losing some AP but will easily be able to hit 40 CDR, and a not worry about mana. So there will be a lot more options now..heck even change runes around and only have a net loss of like 12 AP and get so much more)

Call Me NanaApr 29, 20161 votes

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The passive does the job, yea it's kinda eh late game but she falls off late game as it is. Also the insta-gib protection you want would hide some of her weaknesses she's intended to have. She has to decide to use the ult on herself or others, and/or follow up with zhonyas and give time to her team to follow up.

If you don't like the passive fine, everyone has got an opinion about it (I think it's 'fine' not bad but not OMG AWESOME ). But with the MYMU there's A LOT of items getting mana stats slapped on. Like is still the stat stick, and the current passive and lissandra as a whole will be fine. (I suspect she'll do quite well, since she is losing some AP but will easily be able to hit 40 CDR, and a not worry about mana. So there will be a lot more options now..heck even change runes around and only have a net loss of like 12 AP and get so much more)

I dont know what Lissandras you've been fighting that 'fall off late game' but i'd like to see them. (i guess because i play her often I value her cc even if you're behind) Personally, if they give me the chance it's extremely easy to hit 300+ farm before anyone else.

Get hit with an ult? its an easy way to lose a team fight.

DrDiagaApr 29, 20161 votes

Her passive should be linger but not put the spell on CD.

Useful all gamr

Call Me NanaApr 29, 20161 votes

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Her passive should be linger but not put the spell on CD.

Useful all gamr

I think this would cause a lot of problems with locking down two targets with R, or keeping an entire team rooted with W, W.

DrDiagaApr 29, 20161 votes

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I think this would cause a lot of problems with locking down two targets with R, or keeping an entire team rooted with W, W.

The r I just didn't think would apply it, two op. The double w thing though yeah, that might be a bit strong

MotrColtApr 29, 20161 votes

Lissandra is one of the most powerful roamers in the game with her lockdown ultimates. You want her passive to be more useful after 7 but this is when you should be roaming and Lissandra is just about to become her strongest. The passive falls off at this point because she is already strong enough. Champions have to have strengths and weaknesses, not all strengths at all times.

Call Me NanaApr 29, 20161 votes

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Lissandra is one of the most powerful roamers in the game with her lockdown ultimates. You want her passive to be more useful after 7 but this is when you should be roaming and Lissandra is just about to become her strongest. The passive falls off at this point because she is already strong enough. Champions have to have strengths and weaknesses, not all strengths at all times.

you completely contradict yourself to the other powerful roamers. Ahri Zed Talon Katarina Fizz Annie never have their passive fall off. and some are on par if not better than lissandra at locking down a kill even without harsh amounts of CC.

MotrColtApr 29, 20161 votes

Just because they have a strong passive doesn't mean they don't have something else that starts to fall off.

Ahri's w range starts to feel shorter as champions get more mobile Annie's e is nothing more than a ability to get an extra stack of her passive. None of these offer any cc's other than a slow except for ahri. Fizz talon and Katarina all have to be in melee range to do much.

Lissandra has the most powerful ganking tool of all of these champs with her R. You have the mindset that her passive is weak and needs more but you have to look at the champion as a whole. Riot likes to makes champion with strong strengths and apparent weaknesses, you can't just fix every weakness a champion has, in this case lissandras passive or in annie's her e.

Call Me NanaApr 29, 20161 votes

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Just because they have a strong passive doesn't mean they don't have something else that starts to fall off.

Ahri's w range starts to feel shorter as champions get more mobile Annie's e is nothing more than a ability to get an extra stack of her passive. None of these offer any cc's other than a slow except for ahri. Fizz talon and Katarina all have to be in melee range to do much.

Lissandra has the most powerful ganking tool of all of these champs with her R. You have the mindset that her passive is weak and needs more but you have to look at the champion as a whole. Riot likes to makes champion with strong strengths and apparent weaknesses, you can't just fix every weakness a champion has, in this case lissandras passive or in annie's her e.

Mobility is being cut down from the game. Read the patch notes. Annies E is being reworked. Fizz, Talon and Katarina all have gapclosers.

Lissandras R hits a single target. You can crush an entire team with Annies R. What are you even talking about? Not to mention all the new additons Annie is receiving on tibbers. Including the ability to control tibbers if Annie dies. Read the updates before you make entire comments like this.

MotrColtApr 29, 20161 votes

Them having to be in melee range was more of a knock on them having to put themselves in danger, not actually getting there with a gap closer.

QuephaApr 29, 20161 votes

Stronger passive means power has to come off some other part of her kit. Where do you want the nerfs to go?