I've never experienced this mentality with any other role. Its ALWAYS the ADC who wants blue buff, red buff, large wave farm on all lanes, kills that don't even belong to them, last hit on everything, peel from everything, praise for everything
Because you mostly only win if your ADC wins. I'm not agreeing with the design, only saying what it appears to be.
Because Riot has made it so that an ADC is 80% of a team's power budget.
I see that perspective. As a sup, I'm a little mortified to play with an ADC that just helps themself to their jungler's CS for no reason. I've also played that jungler, and had bot jungle half empty my jungle the entire game ala ADC greed. But...
I've also played ADC. And it's a common experience for me to end up CS starved because my teammates are not at as risk to catch lanes further out, and I AM. I just can't wander out infront of my safety zone. I've watched a jungler, who'd complained about my CS, race to my own bot tower before me, while the wave is still a ways off tower, push it to river, and leave. I finally achieved ADC mentality after that. I took his damn jungle. I can see how some ADC mains just go full starving castaway over their CS.
... They're not entitled... But when they're a big source of the reason you might win, then they can take everything including my ass if that means we win. Take it all boys, take it all.
blue buff
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Selective bias; I suspect you're mostly remembering the times adcs did this in games, while forgetting the times other roles (or you) did this. This seems heavily exaggerated.
I havent seen this once happen ever, unless you are talking like 45min in the game when the ADC just walks up and 2 shots red. In fact I've seen WAY more entitled mids demanding blue while being 0/5
Because they have all the pressure on them to carry. It feels like shit being behind the enemy ADC when no one on your team can deal with them.
How is this exclusive to ADCs? I literally see every role except Support with this mentality. If you don't believe me, just try to be a relic shield support and roam to a lane and get them a kill while you have 4 charges on your support item. Then, watch as the laner fights you for every CS so you can't get a single proc off, or watch pretty much every jungler tax your lane when they fail a gank or succeed in a gank.
red buff is strategically best on adc after lvl 11. it spikes in poke healing at that point so it is honestly kinda broken on adc. gold? adc has the most expensive build and best mid-late/late game presence so if u want a prayer in lategame you need your adc to at minimum match the enemies. Peel? ADC is an incredibly complicated role vs good players. peel helps take some of the pressure off of the player, we arent gods. theres just too many variables to avoid.
praise? thats just you being a narcissist. nobody really cares about your opinion, let alone your praise. =S
They clear my jungle despite camps giving me more EXP. Which is fine, maybe they just need quick gold to finish off an item?
But noooo. When I see them in the jungle, I don't steal the camps with smite. I could easily do it but I don't. Instead I just go bot and ping "on my way." The ADC always moves bot and takes all the bot farm, pushing wave up past the river. Which is whatever. That's their lane? A bit hypocritical but I'll go mid.
Nope. They proceed to go mid, top side jungle, then top. Every game lol. It's asinine. Pretty sure it's because of their attack speed that they act this way. They have a MUCH higher chance of 'securing' the CS than you do, because they apply their damage much faster. I'm sure if mid laners had the attack speed and range that they would hoard the gold as well.
Because it's stronger on the adc then it is on who you're playing. Assuming equal skill and performance between players, red buff is better on the adc then on you. ADC scales better with gold then you do, thus the priority for CS and kills. ADC wave-clears more efficiently then you, can siege towers more safely then you and can kill DPS objectives faster then you.
If it bothers you so much, play adc. League is not an egalitarian utopia.
Literally none of this happens
As someone who enjoys playing support & Support-Jungling, I don't have a problem with helping my ADC get to where they're at their strongest. Now when they start acting like EVERYTHING belongs to them (Takedowns, Jungle Camps/Buffs, Farm etc.) & flame teammates who objectify to them, this is where I draw the line. When a Teammate (could be anyone) does this, this is all I see. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKMNPQ35OUc
Because they scale thr best with gold, if your adc completes their items faster, they get stronger way faster than the enemy ADC.
I've since accepted this, so observe my average of 4.5 cs/m games in high plat while my ADC farms it up both mid and bot
It's just the most effective winning strategy. I don't like it, you don't have to like it either, but you have to accept that this is just the way things are if you really wanna win.
Oh look, another "Hate on ADC" post that will easily be a top post.
This board has became an absolute joke.
Because in optimal play, The ADC needs the most gold to be useful to the team, everyone else needs levels more than gold. Random scrubs who only mimic pro play without understanding why it works and why it will never work for them and how it differs from solo queue demand you play under optimal play standards.
They are the main target for the enemy team most of the time but............
They shouldnt hog everything. Not just adcs but anyone that is fed should learn to share.
Prime example is a streamer i was watching yesterday. I was watching with my gf. The person was ADC and had like 12 kills and 233 cs at 23 minutes. I told her they was going to lose the game. She said "how?"
I said look at how he is playing.....he is the only fed one on the team and hes running around taking all the camps and lane cs...pinging team away from cs. His team was weak and each team fight he got a few kills but his team got deleted.
Even when he almost had his 6th item built and his team was still working on their 4th items he was flashing to get the kill shot instead of letting someone else get the kill gold. And even when he had his 6th item completed he was still hard farming lanes.
This is just greedy and IMO doesnt help your team if you are overly fed and do nothing to try to help them catch up by taking all the camps and cs.
Oh and yea i was right..they eventually did lose.
Blue Buff: Unless it's an ADC who relies heavily on spells (Ezreal, Corki) or an ADC with a strained mana pool (Sivir, Draven) they should not take blue.
Red Buff: ADC's need to kite. An on-hit slow helps with that. Unless somebody else is going to be more active on the map (or they simply need the immediate regen) it should go to the ADC.
Farm/Kills: An ADC is a carry. Carries scale the best with gold out of any role, so your ADC has farm priority unless you've got an Azir, Yi, Fiora, or something like that.
Peel: Duh, they're your carry. If your carry dies first, you're probably gonna lose the teamfight.
Praise: It feels good to be noticed. You should praise your team when they do well. This is not exclusive to your ADC.
bc, like it or not, most games are decided by bot lane.
ADCS
All Da CS
because they're the most important role objectively.
