A Dose of Honesty about Sona

chipndip1··5 votes·2,156 views

A bit ago, after Sona got her Q nerf, I made a pretty lengthy thread being critical of...well...everyone, about Sona's current state and perception of it. The mains, the haters, and Riot themselves. Since then, I personally started to play a ton of Nami, and I hopefully plan to main her instead (with a few pocket picks) for when Clash comes out, since Sona in organized play is way worse than solo queue.

However, this isn't about that. This is more about "Why Sona players rage so much when she gets nerfed or has a middling or less win rate." It's already kind of a "known thing" that Sona mains are really aggressive when it comes to the champ. They also carry a pretty pessimistic attitude towards her. Why? Well, it's simple: The Sona that exists on paper doesn't match up with the Sona we get in reality.

Sona has the worst shit in the game. Q sucks. W sucks: Sona's W isn't just a heal. It's also not just a shield. It's a 2-man heal and a 5-man shield in the same spell. So when someone says "Sona has a lousy 30 hp heal at level 2", they actually mean she has a lousy 60 hp heal with a 50% ap ratio, since she always heals herself. Her shield? Fucking 25...but it's potentially 25 for 5 different people, adding up to 125 + 125% ap ratio shield...for a single point in the skill. Whereas Janna gets up to 210 base shielding with a .7 ap ratio by her E's max, Sona nabs a potential 220 healing + .5 ap ratio along with a potential 625 base shielding + a potential 1.5 ap ratio. So assuming we use 100 ap as a base (more like 150 if we go by Athene's + Ardent, but 100 is easier to mental math with), Janna could block 280 damage off of one E. Meanwhile, Sona's potentially blocking 775 damage and recovering 270 damage...on a 6 second cd before cdr.

Meanwhile, Sona's Q hits up to 2 targets. Sona's level 1 Q is actually, potentially, a automatically targeted 80 + 100% ap ratio move. Janna's W? Like 60 + 50% ap. Karma? 80 + 60% ap. And this isn't even considering the extra AA damage, which brings us a bonus 10 + 30% ap per effected ally. At rank 5, she's sitting on a spell that can potentially apply 470+ 250% ap's worth of damage to the enemy team...every 4.8 seconds before cdr (after cdr, at like level 11...it's like 2 - 3 seconds of this potential output?). Note: I'm not even factoring powerchord procs into this. This is just Sona's standard spell cast, assuming she effects all 5 allies.

Sona is super slow and shit: Eventually, she just perma E's all over the map and she's super difficult to chase. Not much to say here.

So what the fuck is the problem? She sounds op from all this shit. The answer is "logistics". Sona can potentially be this massive influence by the numbers, but the application of those numbers and the logistics to make them work in a match is what makes Sona's design so shitty if you ask me.

When a Sona player uses Q or W, it's to shield or attack a specific someone. So all these op potential numbers fly out the window because a ton of it isn't being applied to that someone, at least in the mind of the player, which results in them feeling worse than they actually are or can be. Sure, on paper, we're getting like 320 base + 100% ap scaling just for pressing Q at rank 5, even before auto attacking, but for the point of using the move, we're looking at a wimpy 160 + 50% ap scaling. Sure, Sona's W is fucking broken, but for the person we're trying to save by pressing W, we aren't looking at a massive 625 base shield. It's just 125 + 30% ap scaling, with a 110 + 25% ap scaling heal...and it may even go to the wrong guy. Sona's efforts aren't concentrated where they need to be, but because her numbers are so ridiculous on paper, you can't do anything about it regardless. To boot, Sona doesn't aim any of these things, which hurts her case even more. You can't give Sona better tools to work with or bigger moments to shine in if it's so easy to pump out so much value, even if it's in places you wish it wasn't. Looking at Rakan, his 150 base + 80% ap shield can be applied to the same guy twice, for a total of 300 + 160% ap worth of shielding. With an Ardent + Athene's setup, you can shield nearly 600 damage on your carries, either all for one carry or between two of them. Sure, Sona still EASILY out-shields Rakan, but Rakan can apply way more of his to specific targets he wants it on, rather than throwing it out all over the joint or having some allies not take their share of it.

Then logistics gets even worse: So part of the issue is that Sona's application is fucking scatterbrained. The OTHER issue is that it's designed in a way that's reminiscent of Kayle: You hardly have the tools to assert yourself in lane. You have some damage. You have very little cc. You got some sustain. If you make it to 30+ minutes, you're a monster. If you DON'T, you're a wet noodle. That's it. No real strengths or weaknesses to work your character around outside of "Pray the enemy doesn't eat you alive before you can do your job and you do your job so well they might just consider rage quitting computers in general". You can't make a play on Sona outside of Flash + R or Flash + Q in most cases since you have no aggressive gap closer or ranged cc to close distances without people seeing you bumbling on by while they walk away at full MS. You can't make defensive plays in most instances besides a W or a reactive R since you have no cc to stop engages with. You pretty much just float around and passively apply yourself to those around you, steadily. As the game progresses, these effects increase, but it's hardly a balancing point that feels good to work with. It's not a real strategic niche that's valuable to the game when so many other champions exist. It feels weak until it isn't, and it isn't for such a small amount of time per game that it doesn't garner much appreciation unless she's fucking broken as a champ, and then everyone loathes her.

I could go on about all the issues I see in Sona for quite some time. Riot's complacent, her mains are complacent (still get pissy over nerfs, but they're complacent about making a lasting effort to solve the issue), but I've been advocating for a major rework on the champ. Even in October, when Sona was in the Censer meta, I was asking for changes. Even before then, I was asking for changes. I honestly do not think that Sona's VGU from years ago holds well at all. Based on what I understand about League's champion designs and the goals of them, Sona fails horribly in most regards. Outside of thematics, Sona's kit is a fucking dud if you ask me, even if people aren't real enough to admit it or come to terms with it.

17 Comments

Dead flag blues2 votes

Let me ask you. Sona has been in this state for more than 2 years. Why did nobody complain about her kit before ? Oh yeah that's right, sheep community who'll follow everything driven by the "korean meta".

"It's already kind of a "known thing" that Sona mains are really aggressive when it comes to the champ. " Don't you remember when Lee was being broken for years, and when Riot slightly touched his numbers, fanboys started spamming the boards about "Rito destroyed Lee Sin omg". I have seen maybe 3/4 threads about the Sona nerf.

chipndip13 votes

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Let me ask you. Sona has been in this state for more than 2 years. Why did nobody complain about her kit before ? Oh yeah that's right, sheep community who'll follow everything driven by the "korean meta".

"It's already kind of a "known thing" that Sona mains are really aggressive when it comes to the champ. " Don't you remember when Lee was being broken for years, and when Riot slightly touched his numbers, fanboys started spamming the boards about "Rito destroyed Lee Sin omg". I have seen maybe 3/4 threads about the Sona nerf.

I was gonna say something else, but I honestly don't get your direction with this post...are you saying she's perfectly fine?

Dead flag blues1 votes

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I was gonna say something else, but I honestly don't get your direction with this post...are you saying she's perfectly fine?

She's been sitting at 70% winrate for more than 3 years in ARAM. I can't pretend she's fine, but people used to tell me "no you're just bad, Sona isn't broken, she's even weak". Sona hasn't been touched for years, and nowadays people keep complaining about her being broken.

Tonyob202 votes

'A bit ago, after Sona got her Q nerf, I made a pretty lengthy thread being critical of...well...everyone, about Sona's current state and perception of it. The mains, the haters, and Riot themselves. Since then, I personally started to play a ton of Nami, and I hopefully plan to main her instead (with a few pocket picks) for when Clash comes out, since Sona in organized play is way worse than solo queue.

However, this isn't about that. This is more about "Why Sona players rage so much when she gets nerfed or has a middling or less win rate."'

Goes on ranting about what's wrong with Sona and the nerf.

To be honest it just seems like you're complaining about a Champ that has a niche playstyle that could be super abused through early rotations and more map plays. Before the nerf Sona was a hardcore lane bully, who excelled in team engages. Now there's a problem with that sentence. Either you bomb laning or you bomb teamfights, if you're bombing both, you need a nerf. Since the kit was so powerful for map plays and team fights, and the meta right now is a cheesy "snowball early stomp late", I think riot decided to emphasize her teamfight potential more. Now, if you build her with actual support items instead of fcking lich bane, oneshotting adcs is not an option anymore and I think that's a good thing, to be honest. Basically, they turned her into a support instead of a ranged ap assassin with a heal, a stun and some utility.

chipndip13 votes

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'A bit ago, after Sona got her Q nerf, I made a pretty lengthy thread being critical of...well...everyone, about Sona's current state and perception of it. The mains, the haters, and Riot themselves. Since then, I personally started to play a ton of Nami, and I hopefully plan to main her instead (with a few pocket picks) for when Clash comes out, since Sona in organized play is way worse than solo queue.

However, this isn't about that. This is more about "Why Sona players rage so much when she gets nerfed or has a middling or less win rate."'

Goes on ranting about what's wrong with Sona and the nerf.

Sounds to me like you didn't read the thread at all. This entire piece had very little to do with the nerfs at all.

To be honest it just seems like you're complaining about a Champ that has a niche playstyle that could be super abused through early rotations and more map plays. Before the nerf Sona was a hardcore lane bully, who excelled in team engages. Now there's a problem with that sentence. Either you bomb laning or you bomb teamfights, if you're bombing both, you need a nerf. Since the kit was so powerful for map plays and team fights, and the meta right now is a cheesy "snowball early stomp late", I think riot decided to emphasize her teamfight potential more. Now, if you build her with actual support items instead of fcking lich bane, oneshotting adcs is not an option anymore and I think that's a good thing, to be honest. Basically, they turned her into a support instead of a ranged ap assassin with a heal, a stun and some utility.

And NOW it seems like you have literally no idea what you're talking about. While being as tactful as possible, it'd be nice if you fell back a bit.

Tonyob201 votes

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Sounds to me like you didn't read the thread at all. This entire piece had very little to do with the nerfs at all.

And NOW it seems like you have literally no idea what you're talking about. While being as tactful as possible, it'd be nice if you fell back a bit.

Actually I'm a kassadin main, and when I see you bitching about sona's early game I'm just laughing my ass off. If you couldn't pull sona off early before the nerf, something is wrong with you man. While you avoid talking about the nerf, the main reason why her early could now be weak is because of the q nerf. Other than that your point is completely invalid, I've seen sonas solokill twitches and vaynes at level 3. If you know how to play that champ, it's a monstrosity that can bully both the enemy adc and support out of lane with ease. To put it this way. You can put sona midlane against many caster champs and she would hold her own, except for the fact that she has no wave clear. Other than that, the champs got no problems m8. Yeah you don't have the insane flat healing of a soraka, and yeah you don't have the insane flat damage of a veigar support but sona has a mix of utility that makes her fcking evil in lane and godlike in teamfights if your team knows how to play around her strengths and if you know how to play around her strengths. Basically, you've got supportitis, bro. You can rarely solocarry in your main position because sometimes you just get adcs who are scrubs and can ruin a game for you. But you want to solocarry and you feel adept enough at your champ to think you could solocarry if the champ was just given a little more edge and was a bit more focused on early to mid because that's the meta in which games are won, rarely seeing any post 50 games recently. And I'm telling you bro, no. You're a support. You can't bring your boosted adc back from the dead and keep him alive through his boosted 1v3 engages, if not even a soraka could in that situation. And you aren't supposed to be able to cc like a leona or oneshot like a veigar, you are supposed to give your adc an edge damage, regen and chase wise until you can group up with your tanky team members who will be taking care of the hard cc while you give the ENTIRE TEAM and edge damage, regen and chase wise. In my opinion sona the way she is is the ideal form of support, because she is a real support with versatility that can be applied to the whole team to do insanely well. Buff her early and you break the game, is what I'm saying. Just like kassa, buff his early and you break the game. Of course, as his main I would love to have his q have either a bigger range or the silence, and I would trade the spellshield for the silence and I have many suggestions to make him more viable competitively, because he was dead for quite some time. Then xiao hu pulled him off at worlds and I figured out: some champs rely on their teammates. Like sona relies on her adc, and kassadin relies on his jungler. That's how it is.

chipndip12 votes

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Actually I'm a kassadin main, and when I see you bitching about sona's early game I'm just laughing my ass off.

  1. No one's talking about buffs here except you. Knock off the silly shit. I want her kit reworked.

  2. You don't even get the point of the thread. No one's talking about her nerfs, either. Hell, I'm talking about how her kit feels to play, and how Riot's rework attempts up to this point have failed in making her game play feel satisfying or meaningful. I could have made this post about balance, but I hardly did.

  3. I don't mean to be rude, but I gotta be honest: You're Bronze. Deep in Bronze. The way you see the game versus the way I see the game will be extremely different.

Ayanami3rd2 votes

Sona is a straightforward champion, but nonetheless she is decent. Since the nerfs, she is not strong anymore, but you can still pick her with a good conscience. Also, I can't follow your thought on Sona lacking some ability types. She is one of the most versatile supports I know, like really braindead versatile. I need to apply damage => Q. I need to apply heal and shield => W. I need a speed buff => E. I need a stun => R. Duh.

chipndip12 votes

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Sona is a straightforward champion, but nonetheless she is decent. Since the nerfs, she is not strong anymore, but you can still pick her with a good conscience. Also, I can't follow your thought on Sona lacking some ability types. She is one of the most versatile supports I know, like really braindead versatile. I need to apply damage => Q. I need to apply heal and shield => W. I need a speed buff => E. I need a stun => R. Duh.

Read what I said in the last two paragraphs again, and then really think about how Sona's game play plays out. You'll realize what I'm getting at. The issue with Sona isn't functions. It's application and logistics. Two different things.

Ayanami3rd1 votes

I personally have to disagree especially with

So part of the issue is that Sona's application is fucking scatterbrained. The OTHER issue is that it's designed in a way that's reminiscent of Kayle: You hardly have the tools to assert yourself in lane. You have some damage. You have very little cc. You got some sustain. If you make it to 30+ minutes, you're a monster. If you DON'T, you're a wet noodle.

You have decent damage, that is 100% hit due to point&click + AOE. You also have a point&click + AOE slow for CC, and a rather long stun skillshot ultimate. You have loads of sustain due to your W, and escape potential with your E, which saves you "wet noodle" quite often from dying.

Sona's early game got cut down due to the nerfs, but neither does she have a bad kit nor is she not viable. She's simple, but that is the point of her design. You need to have some straightforward champions in your MOBA game's portfolio.

Miku Hime sama1 votes

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I could go on about all the issues I see in Sona for quite some time. Riot's complacent, her mains are complacent (still get pissy over nerfs, but they're complacent about making a lasting effort to solve the issue), but I've been advocating for a major rework on the champ. Even in October, when Sona was in the Censer meta, I was asking for changes. Even before then, I was asking for changes. I honestly do not think that Sona's VGU from years ago holds well at all. Based on what I understand about League's champion designs and the goals of them, Sona fails horribly in most regards. Outside of thematics, Sona's kit is a fucking dud if you ask me, even if people aren't real enough to admit it or come to terms with it.

It's not that Sona players are getting complacent. It's that Rito is actively ATTACKING Sona players' ACCOUNTS. They have instructed their forum moderators to ban players from the forums for speaking too much about Sona.

It's not that we don't want to actively demand Rito to fix her, it's that Rito is literally NOT ALLOWING us to complain. On top of this, Rito has control over League's hive mind, they are the ones who are able to create public news posts and other general means of propaganda. Which they actively manipulate to pit their sheeple community against Sona.

The Sona issue is no longer a matter of numbers, viability, logistics, "potential" and practicality. It's devolved into a matter of arrogance and prejudice for Rito. Like so many of their failed projects, they refuse to admit that her first rework and everything they've done to her since have all been massive failures. They don't want to fix her, because Meddler, KateyKhaos, Wuks and nth many other Rito employees all have a deep-seated hatred for Sona and would sooner see her deleted from the game, than become a healthy & viable character.

The Sona playerbase isn't just fighting against proper game balancing, we're fighting against Rito's massive inflated ego.

chipndip13 votes

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It's not that Sona players are getting complacent. It's that Rito is actively ATTACKING Sona players' ACCOUNTS. They have instructed their forum moderators to ban players from the forums for speaking too much about Sona.

It's not that we don't want to actively demand Rito to fix her, it's that Rito is literally NOT ALLOWING us to complain. On top of this, Rito has control over League's hive mind, they are the ones who are able to create public news posts and other general means of propaganda. Which they actively manipulate to pit their sheeple community against Sona.

The Sona issue is no longer a matter of numbers, viability, logistics, "potential" and practicality. It's devolved into a matter of arrogance and prejudice for Rito. Like so many of their failed projects, they refuse to admit that her first rework and everything they've done to her since have all been massive failures. They don't want to fix her, because Meddler, KateyKhaos, Wuks and nth many other Rito employees all have a deep-seated hatred for Sona and would sooner see her deleted from the game, than become a healthy & viable character.

The Sona playerbase isn't just fighting against proper game balancing, we're fighting against Rito's massive inflated ego.

Here's the thing: The way you guys talk about Sona has devolved to literal slander and hate mongering. It's a ton of misinformation, lies, and attacks on Rioter character rather than anything based in...well...reality. No, Meddler isn't out to shiv her in the bathroom at night. No, Riot doesn't "hate the champ". The problem with Sona is that when it comes to changes for her, no one's really thinking about what the underlying issues are. They say "Music" or "aura" or "Dota champions" and call it a day, like we're supposed to play some rhythm game while playing League at the same time. No one's looking at things like "What should Sona functionally do for a team comp that isn't just easily covered by other enchanters?", or "What types of changes would allow Sona to flex some mastery of the champ, instead of face rolling?". No one's thinking about it functionally. They just want Sona to be on this grand pedestal. I'm sorry if you haven't noticed, but fuck that. She got reworked in the first place for a good reason, regardless of denial. It's time for Sona's game play to actually enter modern League of Legends.

Miku Hime sama1 votes

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Here's the thing: The way you guys talk about Sona has devolved to literal slander and hate mongering. It's a ton of misinformation, lies, and attacks on Rioter character rather than anything based in...well...reality. No, Meddler isn't out to shiv her in the bathroom at night. No, Riot doesn't "hate the champ". The problem with Sona is that when it comes to changes for her, no one's really thinking about what the underlying issues are. They say "Music" or "aura" or "Dota champions" and call it a day, like we're supposed to play some rhythm game while playing League at the same time. No one's looking at things like "What should Sona functionally do for a team comp that isn't just easily covered by other enchanters?", or "What types of changes would allow Sona to flex some mastery of the champ, instead of face rolling?". No one's thinking about it functionally. They just want Sona to be on this grand pedestal. I'm sorry if you haven't noticed, but fuck that. She got reworked in the first place for a good reason, regardless of denial. It's time for Sona's game play to actually enter modern League of Legends.

There's so much delusion here, I'm not even sure where to start. You claim Rito doesn't have any anti-Sona bias, in spite of all of the proof they frequently hand us and their repeated verbal admissions of it. It's clear I'm not going to convince you to take your blinders off, when Rito can publicly denounce her and you still don't believe it, even straight from the horses' mouths.

Who are you to claim that in these 3 years, there haven't been countless viable complete reworks thought up, collaborated and refined by dozens of players? I've seen my fair share, I've even given my 2 cents on a few. Plenty of people agree on most of them, especially specific recurring themes. To claim that we have no idea where Sona should go, is to ignore years' worth of discussions.

Sona was reworked for the sake of change. End of story. Sona was balanced, the rework made her unbalanced, that is just pure FACT. No denial, just numerical and practical FACT. She had a consistent performance across every division from Bronze to Challenger and even in Professional play. The rework changed her into a pure bronze champion, she is the support Master Yi. This is just truth. The only deniers here are the people who don't admit this is what ACTUALLY occurred.

However, like I said, all of the evidence is there. It's been handed out on silver platters numerous times and people still refuse to believe the FACTS. No amount of discussion can dispel pure simplistic BIAS. Only peoples' own willingness to become impartial will make them smell the stinking pile that is literally sitting under their noses.

chipndip12 votes

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There's so much delusion here, I'm not even sure where to start. You claim Rito doesn't have any anti-Sona bias, in spite of all of the proof they frequently hand us and their repeated verbal admissions of it. It's clear I'm not going to convince you to take your blinders off, when Rito can publicly denounce her and you still don't believe it, even straight from the horses' mouths.

Like...are you even self-aware? Look at the language you yourself use: Propaganda, ATTACK, "publicly denounce her", PREJUDICE? Why on Earth would Riot make a champ just to ostracize that champ? It makes literally no sense, and the quicker you and a certain someone stop trying to create these lynch mobs out of Sona players on here, then maybe eventually a Rioter would actually comment on the champ. You guys are a bunch of swarming piranhas.

Who are you to claim that in these 3 years, there haven't been countless viable complete reworks thought up, collaborated and refined by dozens of players? I've seen my fair share, I've even given my 2 cents on a few. Plenty of people agree on most of them, especially specific recurring themes. To claim that we have no idea where Sona should go, is to ignore years' worth of discussions.

Nah, lemme set this record straight: Half you guys want reverts, and the other half want some "Invoker" concept. Both are crap.

Sona was reworked for the sake of change. End of story. Sona was balanced, the rework made her unbalanced, that is just pure FACT. No denial, just numerical and practical FACT. She had a consistent performance across every division from Bronze to Challenger and even in Professional play. The rework changed her into a pure bronze champion, she is the support Master Yi. This is just truth. The only deniers here are the people who don't admit this is what ACTUALLY occurred.

The lack of self-awareness here, again, is mind-boggling, and only proves my point that no Rioter would waste time trying to explain things to you. Sona was changed because her original game play was loathsome, just like many of Riot's original VGUs and reworks. Whether you want to admit that or not is up to you, but them's the brakes.

However, like I said, all of the evidence is there. It's been handed out on silver platters numerous times and people still refuse to believe the FACTS. No amount of discussion can dispel pure simplistic BIAS. Only peoples' own willingness to become impartial will make them smell the stinking pile that is literally sitting under their noses.

How about this: You actually give some "evidence" of Rioters blatantly targeting Sona as a champ to ruin her like you've been claiming all this time? You say it over and over, and yet unlike me, you never provide a lick of quotes or a lick of math to back up a single claim you make. You're apart of the problem and you don't realize it.

Miku Hime sama1 votes

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Like...are you even self-aware? Look at the language you yourself use: Propaganda, ATTACK, "publicly denounce her", PREJUDICE? Why on Earth would Riot make a champ just to ostracize that champ? It makes literally no sense, and the quicker you and a certain someone stop trying to create these lynch mobs out of Sona players on here, then maybe eventually a Rioter would actually comment on the champ. You guys are a bunch of swarming piranhas.

"Riot" didn't make Sona. Colt Hallam and Steve Feak made Sona. Not Fearless, not Jag, not RicklessAbandon, Slumberjack or Sparkle. They have no apparent reason to like or dislike Sona. They're free to ostracize champions all they want, none of them have any attachment to her.

Plenty of Ritoers have "commented" on Sona, but I can't remember the last time they were ever honest about her situation. Fearless said he wouldn't hesitate to revert her if the rework turned out to be a massive failure. As it would have it, the rework was such a huge failure, even to this day she's still viable. You know the last time she did well on the professional stage? About a week before her rework went Live. He promised us buffs, she got nerfed. He promised she wouldn't be forgotten and abandoned, that was the very last post he ever made before abandoning her and leaving her forgotten for 2 years. Meddler claimed she was "just fine and didn't need changes" about a week before her 2nd rework was announced.

I'm sorry that you want to live your life wearing blinders, believing that all around you are rainbows and gumdrops, but sadly the world isn't that kind of place.

Nah, lemme set this record straight: Half you guys want reverts, and the other half want some "Invoker" concept. Both are crap.

Nobody wants Invoker. That has been debunked and debunked again multiple times. Rito has said they do not want Invoker, no Sona player has ever wanted Invoker, you're just completely unaware of 3+ years' of conversations.

The lack of self-awareness here, again, is mind-boggling, and only proves my point that no Rioter would waste time trying to explain things to you. Sona was changed because her original game play was loathsome, just like many of Riot's original VGUs and reworks. Whether you want to admit that or not is up to you, but them's the brakes.

Whether YOU want to admit it or not, Sona was a balanced character. Like I already said; and I will repeat these FACTS as many times as I need to; she saw consistent performance across ALL elos AND in professional play. That is a fact. After her rework, she disappeared from professional play, even still to this day. That is a fact. The average rank of Sona players fell 4 divisions. That is statistical fact.

Sona was changed, because Fearless felt like changing her. He himself publicly stated this multiple times. The sole purpose was to update her visual effects. Fearless himself publicly declared this numerous times. Both her model updates (downgrades) AND any changes to her kit, were entirely secondary. Fearless himself very clearly said this on more than one occasion. Sona did NOT need to be changed, Rito themselves said this. Fearless very clearly said he was just changing her "for the hell of it."

"We're going through the effort of improving her visual effects, we may as well change her kit while we're at. Don't get us wrong though, regardless of where she's at both kit-wise or with her in-game models; the moment her visual effects are up to par, we WILL be pushing her to Live in whatever state she looks like." - Fearless, August 2014

How about this: You actually give some "evidence" of Rioters blatantly targeting Sona as a champ to ruin her like you've been claiming all this time? You say it over and over, and yet unlike me, you never provide a lick of quotes or a lick of math to back up a single claim you make. You're apart of the problem and you don't realize it.

You're so far gone with your delusions and sheeple mentality, I don't even know why I bother trying to reason with you. You're the problem and the reason Sona will never be playable and you don't even realize. So hypocritical that you sit here accusing others of your own sins.

Tonyob201 votes

To be honest, I would like to play a game against you. Yeah I'm in bronze, but my mistakes aren't in my knowledge of the game. I think out of over 1500 games maybe 50 of them were rankeds. I'm a player with acceptable mechanical skill but bad decision making and I don't think over macro things very much, which is why I didn't end up in a higher elo over these 50 games. I'm also not exactly always lucky enough to consistently have good teams, also due to the fact that I landed so low. However, the only champ I have never played is Zoe, due to my client or my laptop being extremely fucked up and her not showing up in my champ select. I get most champs, other than volibear, and I know that some team comps are shit atm, but sona is a champion that has a wide diversity comps that she fits into, she's an allrounder generic support that focuses on local buffs. Sona can easily keep 3 backline members healthy versus a poke comp while having lockdown and disengage versus a dive comp. Yes, against hard cc comps she struggles but a wide range of champions do. That's why they're so effective this meta. How would you rework her without making her into another nami? She works well with with teams without bruisers or divers, aka 2 tanks 2 dps. If you have a hypertank and the other team is a poke comp you can simply take 3 carries and sona and roflstomp the game. Miss Fortune Sona Twitch Malzahar Maokai. Maybe sion. Ziggs vayne sona Sejuani Cho Gath. Those are strong teams, if you draft them against the right enemies. It's not a support you can play everywhere, but it's still strong. Sona Ezreal Shen Twitch Galio. Sona Zilean Jinx Ornn Amumu. It's not even limited to the meta, Quinn Swain Volibear Tristana Sona. Twisted Fate, Miss Fortune, Kindred, Sona, Tahm Kench. Sona, Kog Maw, Diana, Gragas, Mundo. Those are all strong team comps. Maokai Corki Malphite Xayah Sona. It's a good champ the way she is, I've had enough of champs being altered to fit the meta even more. After some time she will fall back in. Don't worry. Gnar Jarvan Morgana Caitlyn Sona. Imagine this. You're grouping with 4 people to set up vision around baron because the enemy team was seen rotating top. Suddenly, a morgana flash ults over a wall and catches 3 of you, zhonyas. Sona qs for the aura before the engage and buffs her teams aas. Sona also Es with ardent before the engage. Jarvan flag and drags into you're slowed backline, bounces on your adc and catches the support as well. Megagnar flashes in and ults them against jarvans wall. Caitlyn ults the lowest one, morgana comes out of zhonyas and spellshields herself. Two people escaped from morgana's shackles. They try to turn on caitlyn, sona ults them. caitlyn es away morgana q s one of them while caitlyn has a ms buff from sona to gain more distance from the un cced champion when th q lands but sonas ult wears off, sona applies some damage with her q, caitlyn blocks the path with traps and kites, empowered by sona's q. At this point, jarvan and gnar should have done their job and begin grouping with caitlyn and sona. The 5 person might or might not tp in, if he does morgana slows his engage with a rylais empowered soil. If he doesn't engage she just focuses on peeling for caitlyn. It's about imagination bro, and setting up situations where you can play around a champ's strenghts.

chipndip11 votes

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To be honest, I would like to play a game against you. Yeah I'm in bronze, but my mistakes aren't in my knowledge of the game. I think out of over 1500 games maybe 50 of them were rankeds. I'm a player with acceptable mechanical skill but bad decision making and I don't think over macro things very much, which is why I didn't end up in a higher elo over these 50 games. I'm also not exactly always lucky enough to consistently have good teams, also due to the fact that I landed so low. However, the only champ I have never played is Zoe, due to my client or my laptop being extremely fucked up and her not showing up in my champ select. I get most champs, other than volibear, and I know that some team comps are shit atm, but sona is a champion that has a wide diversity comps that she fits into, she's an allrounder generic support that focuses on local buffs...

Alright, I'ma give this one to you as honestly as possible:

  1. I have 2.5 million mastery on this champ that I'm speaking on. I'm also a Diamond level support main. You're a self-proclaimed Kassadin main in mid Bronze telling me about my champ in my thread about how strong she is when I'm not talking about her objective strength in the game in the first place, which you'd have known if you had just read the damn original post.

  2. I don't need excuses for WHY you're Bronze. Fact is that you are, and with that said, the way you see the game is vastly different from those that aren't. That's not me trying to be rude. That's me being honest.

  3. I don't need you to tell me to imagine "strong team comps" with Sona, or that Sona "will be back in the meta eventually". Fact is, I don't a give a flying fuck about Sona's solo queue performance. In my eyes, it's a farce regardless. In the realm of the game that matters most in my eyes, Sona's solo queue performance doesn't mean jack shit, so I don't care about it and you can stop bringing it up. Once again, not being rude. Just being honest.

  4. This thread is about how people manage to be discontent with the champ so often, not about if Sona's strong or not. You don't need to play a game of League against me to understand that much.

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