@ Reds and Riot about the Assassin Item and other assassins who dont build it

La Bello··1 votes·431 views

Okay so this is a great boost to Zed Talon Pantheon Khazix and some others (personally aside from Kha'zix I thought most of these guys already felt okay especially Zed).

Anyways what about your OTHER assassins?

Evelynn Akali Katarina Ekko ? These champions also dont build armor penetration so the active of item 3147 falls off very hard thanks to base scaling armor.The Item doesnt really help these guys in the slightest.

Evelynn and Ekko are still "Assassins" whos most successful builds include them building mostly tank and being soft iniators.

Akali still cant flourish thanks to how cheap item 2043 are and how accessableitem 3341 item 3364 are.

Katarina Is still Binary as all hell and doesnt even really auto attack.Ryze and Xin got some small gameplay changes why not Kat? Also in this meta with beefwalls running around everywhere with 20 different forms of CC Katarina is having a super hard time.(wasnt Katarina the god of solo que season 3 lo how the mighty have fallen)

The guys at Riot claim theyre trying to patch up assassins which I believe as theyre giving them an entire mastery/skill tree/ Item but they seem to have forgotten about anyone whos name isnt Zed ,Kha6 or Talon.

Will there be any Items made for AP assassins(RIP DFG) ? Or at the least can you guys make a AP version ofitem 3147 that deals magic damage?

tl:dr

item 3147 is okay but wheres the love for AP assassins?

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Variks the Loyal1 votes

They're buffing Katarina next patch, and are looking at Akali and Ekko, who they buffed alongside Duskblade's release.

La Bello1 votes

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They're buffing Katarina next patch, and are looking at Akali and Ekko, who they buffed alongside Duskblade's release.

simple numbers buffs are not enough.

they need alot more work than that.

there are other fundamental things wrong with thier kits and scalings that will always make them overshadowed by AD assassins when it comes to "I want X person dead" situations Not only is ap damage easier for squishies to itemize againstitem 3139 item 3155 item 3102 but AP assassins cant pump out constant big damage through autos.

there needs to be some sort of specialized Item or a mastery that helps them.

I think the main problem is that theyre hybrid champs and the few hybrid Items in the game(item 3124 item 3146 ) are really suited more towards Melee AD's than they are mages

forist1 votes

With items like item 3285 and item 3089 ap assasins are nowhere near lacking in proper burst itemization.

La Bello1 votes

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With items like item 3285 and item 3089 ap assasins are nowhere near lacking in proper burst itemization.

those are way too exspensive to be viable atm.

forist1 votes

uhhhh.. wut?

item 3285 is cheaper than item 3147 .

La Bello1 votes

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uhhhh.. wut?

item 3285 is cheaper than item 3147 .

the damage luden echo gives is ALOT less than the damge item 3147 gives.

one is for waveclearing

one is for 1v1.

We need a item for ap assassins since Deathfires no longer exsist.

whats not to get?

forist1 votes

I don't understand players on here. They tunnel so hard on the concept of ap itemization being bad. 100 ap vs 75 ad, so how exactly does luden's give less damage? Also, while luden's ehco is good for wave clear, it is still provides significant burst for mages and ap assassins. Luden's echo is the replacement for DFG, so people need to quit whining and accept it. You got item 3285 , item 3089 , and item 3157 vs item 3147 and item 3142 , ap assassin itemization is still better and has been for a while now.

La Bello1 votes

The new Duskblade really illustrates how all AP champs have the exact same build regardless of role, and to an extent the vagueness and redundancy of the fighter and mage roles.

I mean Duskblade exists because AD assassins don't have a big ticket item like Deathcap for AP or IF for ADC, but EVERY AP wants deathcap whether they're a utility or siege or combo mage or assassin. AP assassins want their own AP duskblade equivalent, and likewise siege mages would like a big ticket item that synergizes more specifically than them.

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