Wouldn't a simple fix for Darius be..

5 Stacks GG·Mar 3, 2015·17 votes·1,316 views

Make his ult fully reset again and make the cooldown 140/120/100? being rewarded for killing blow = fully reset being punished for missing it = long cooldown

wouldn't that just fix everything?

17 Comments

DustyElLionMar 3, 201516 votes

As Darius, I open the fight with my ult to assert my dominance.

In all seriousness I'm pretty sure the issue was if you died to Darius (and lets face it, if you're melee you probably will) you are effectively driven out of your lane. His ult will be up when you get back, so the exact same thing is going to happen again.

There's also the point that with the new TP top lane meta it might be a bit much for Darius to have enormous kill pressure on his opponent, only to be able to TP and still have that ridiculous cool down.

5 Stacks GGMar 3, 20152 votes

yeah but I think it wouldn't be a problem anymore with all those ranged and peel, also in some situation it would make his ult have a longer cooldown meaning more risk for the reward and considering darius is already pretty easy to kite it wont be a problem i can assure you

Thanotos OmegaMar 3, 20151 votes

Exactly this is why Garen's ult has such a huge cool down, if he gets this it will have to cost him his dueling power and general damage, and force him to rely on others to weaken enemies for the execute, or have it consume 20-40% of his mana per use.

mi ramfanMar 3, 20158 votes

Well, there's another easy way to resolve that issue. Keep the cooldown the same as on live, but change the reset/recast to the following system:

Rank 1 (level 6): 10 second recast period after a kill, then full cooldown. Rank 2 (level 11): 10 second recast period after a kill, then half cooldown. Rank 3 (level 16): Full reset on kill.

Prevents him from being oppressive in lane, gives him some split pushing utility late game, and doesn't change his strength in teamfights. Problem solved.

dunk is my lifeMar 3, 20152 votes

could you make a thread suggesting this idea? I want to see what others think of that

OJ191Mar 3, 20156 votes

As someone who does not main top but is highly sympathetic to Darius plight, no, just no, at least not without major nerfs to some of his other lane presence.

zoxeawMar 3, 20153 votes

Nah, I like him the way he is.

junglerboy16Mar 3, 20153 votes

If by fix you mean make him really strong again, then yes it would.

If by fix you mean deal with his oppressive laning while making him viable again, then HELL NO.

The reason he doesn't have a full blown reset anymore is that when he was released, as a top laner he would go in, all in for a kill at 6 and then ult for the reset. As soon as the enemy laner (who is already behind in gold and exp from getting killed) returns, Darius would immediately rinse and repeat, allowing him to mercilessly slaughter his lane opponent over and over, becoming unapproachable in lane and making his enemy a complete non entity.

This also doesn't address in any way how weak Darius himself becomes if/when he falls behind, because he still won't be able to kill anyone to begin with when behind, making this buff do nothing for him.

Darius' biggest problem is his extremely feast or famine play pattern, and adding this buff back into the game would simply revert his feast pattern to being overwhelming, while still not addressing his famine pattern of becoming equally useless.

doublelift fgMar 3, 20153 votes

stop buffing his laning phase and buff his teamfight

Sire HippingtonMar 3, 20152 votes

The reason why Darius was nerfed was that he got a full reset, which meant if he was a bit ahead and could kill you in one combo, which happened pretty often, he could just kill that poor guy evertime he sees him, as his ult had no downtime. Which meant for most melees, if they dieed once to darius in lane, they couldn't go back to lane and had to roam/jungler to eventually gain a littlebit xp and farm, as visiting their lane was a save kill for Darius.

If you want darius to be more viable, give him 5% increased defstats or hybrid vamp for each champion affeckted by his passive. wouldn't change much 1v1, but help alot in teamfights.

Trash MammaIMar 4, 20151 votes

Or give him more speed so he can't be kited so easily..Ranged champs obliterate him so hard it's not even funny

AkabaneKunMar 3, 20151 votes

LoL that would make laning against him with melees pointless, since he wins every melee in the game early and mid game, past lvl 6 your enemy laner might has well not even bother to go top again with the ulty reseting.

Captain AishiMar 3, 20151 votes

that change would make him stronger against melees, which he already beats, and would make him weaker against ranged champions, which he already struggles against (against most ranged matchups you get a kill by ulting at 5 stacks and letting ignite+bleed deal the killing blow while you run out of minion aggro to not trade 1 for 1

KögâMar 3, 20151 votes

I believe that he is in a good place right now. I think other champs need to be tweaked with first.

Buffing him now would just warrant a huge nerf later... We need to wait for either zed, lee, vi and the other popular picks to be nerfed to everyone else's level or preferably wait for everyone to be buffed to their level.

Devin BookerMar 4, 20151 votes

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Banes AegisMar 4, 20151 votes

No it wouldn't. It would make his laning phase more oppressive while still making him a useless heap of trash in mid to late game because it does nothing to address his mobility issues and that fact that any gold given to him is wasted.

YossarianSenseiMar 4, 20151 votes

I think you could revert Darius to his original state -right after the nerfs he received immediately following his release- and he'd still be at best an OK champion

He just doesn't have the kit it takes to be effective in this meta. He can't touch anything in a team fight, and he's not even a good lane bully.

If I wanted a short range immobile fighter that was pretty good vs most melees, I'd just pick Morde or Olaf