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Scored an S, still demoted.

Funkin Dunkin··1 votes·362 views

This is the life of Riot's wonderful cough ELO system that says even though I'm good enough to be facing plat players, I'm good enough to carry 4 silvers. That's not how an ELO works. The moment a Plat enters the gaming platform, silver should no longer be viable. If I can't invite my diamond player friends to play ranked with me, then there should never be silver players in a game with mostly gold/plat players. Additionally, if I'm playing plat players, then that means my ELO should be high. Yet I only gain 17 LP for harder matches. This system is fubar'ed and no one wants to fix it. I should be gaining 20+ LP facing players at a higher level than me. I should only be seeing +17 LP gains if I'm facing silver players. Additionally, if I still managed to score an S in a losing game, I should never be demoted. It's that simple. You're punishing players for 4 other "luck of the draw" players. Will they be good? Will they be bad? Will they at least be average so I can help them make plays? This system is needs a massive overhall. The LP gains and losses should be based off of personal performance and what rank the other team is. It shouldn't be based on anything else. Or, get rid of the LP completely and just let the ELO take over. If ELO says I'm plat, then I'm plat. Don't put me in ranks where I'm not against players that, in ANY other ladder in ANY other game, would not even be facing. Just because I beat them doesn't make the system fair. Fair would be if I'm facing higher ranks I would gain more and lose less. That's fair. This is a dice roll.

17 Comments

DrCyanide2 votes

The moment a Plat enters the gaming platform, silver should no longer be viable.

I agree on this point. If MMR is going to be used for matchmaking, then tell us who we can or can't queue up with based on that, otherwise ensure that everyone in the match is of a rank where they would be able to queue up together.

Yet I only gain 17 LP for harder matches. This system is fubar'ed and no one wants to fix it. I should be gaining 20+ LP facing players at a higher level than me. I should only be seeing +17 LP gains if I'm facing silver players.

In my personal experience, it does work like you suggest - Harder opponents give more LP when you beat them, while you get less LP if you're expected to win.

Additionally, if I still managed to score an S in a losing game, I should never be demoted. [...] The LP gains and losses should be based off of personal performance and what rank the other team is.

On that I disagree. There are many ways to manipulate your score, encouraging someone to play Viktor Support (or some other rarely played thing) for the sake of improving their chances of getting an S sounds like a bad idea.

Funkin Dunkin1 votes

I think it should be weighted more though because if I still scored an S it means I did what I needed to do and played well. If I scored a B or lower, then obviously I did not perform optimally and thus should be ranked as such.

DrCyanide1 votes

I think it should be weighted more though because if I still scored an S it means I did what I needed to do and played well.

No, it doesn't mean that.

Your Champion Mastery Score is only a comparison between you and other players who play that champion in that role. For that reason, playing a brand new champion in Ranked, or playing a champion in a role they're terrible at or don't fit into are more likely to result in you getting an S score.

No part of the scoring is based around you doing what you need to do, but is instead based on numbers that can be increased at the cost of your team. You can actively do what is detrimental to your team's chances of winning and get an S, if you play it right. Conversely, doing what's best for your team's chances of winning could result in you getting a lower score. It would not be fair to demote the player that was laying their life on the line trying to defend the Nexus over and over, while not demoting the player who didn't lift a finger to defend the Nexus but instead stole CS from his teammates and was always off on their own so that he could get enough CS for an S.

Funkin Dunkin1 votes

If that is indeed how that system scores then I've lost all faith in Riot at this point. Seems like they create things that only have figurehead value instead of real intrinsic value [zombie-brand-facepalm]

archerno11 votes

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If that is indeed how that system scores then I've lost all faith in Riot at this point. Seems like they create things that only have figurehead value instead of real intrinsic value [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Grading just shows how u are on certain champion compared to other people of your ELO on that same champion. Thats why in lower ELO its easy to get S on champions that arent very popular like Yorick, Mordekaiser , Aurelion Sol or in your case Gnar. Because there arent many good people to compare you to. Also biggest contributors to grading are CS and warding.

DrCyanide1 votes

It was only intended for you to judge how well you are doing on a champion, assuming you're playing normally. That's all is was built for, and it works perfectly fine for that, even accommodating Champions that can play multiple roles like Morgana or Nautilus.

The problem comes when people want it to mean something being that.

Hyperiön1 votes

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If that is indeed how that system scores then I've lost all faith in Riot at this point. Seems like they create things that only have figurehead value instead of real intrinsic value [zombie-brand-facepalm]

They give you chests for playing well?

They give you free stuff form those chests?

Shit games happen. it happens to everyone. But you also get 3 gamees for a chance at promotion.

Well guess what. it is a team game. So suck up your pride, and help your team to win.

Your gnar is good. So play just gnar. Find someone in another lane you are good with just play them.

That is kinda what I do.

I find what works. Play it unless I have an easy matchup with another champ i can play.

Anags1 votes

The grade system is pointless aside from allowing you to get chests. It has no bearing on the game aside from that.

Sukishoo2 votes

Grades have no bearing on your Win/lose.

archerno11 votes

So they should change ranked system completely because u got demoted? How about no?

Checked your op.gg, there are no silver players in your team

jwebb01131 votes

i think what he is hinting at he shouldnt be placed with silver players vs plat players

more so of match making

archerno12 votes

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i think what he is hinting at he shouldnt be placed with silver players vs plat players

more so of match making

He isnt. He played 3 ranked games in last 10 days. He had only golds in his team. Once he played against plat 5 and once he played against some high silvers. But no silvers in his team.

He is just one of those low elo delusional players who think that matchmaking is rigged against them.

Funkin Dunkin1 votes

You are the perfect example of why this problem will never get fixed. You are the classic internet troll that, instead of reading a topic, you go based off of the title and immediately downvote before even looking at what is posted and if it's relevant. This has been an ongoing topic for many people but because you say its not then, opps my bad, you know more than everyone in this game. Not to mention don't even put anything worth even talking about.

archerno11 votes

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You are the perfect example of why this problem will never get fixed. You are the classic internet troll that, instead of reading a topic, you go based off of the title and immediately downvote before even looking at what is posted and if it's relevant. This has been an ongoing topic for many people but because you say its not then, opps my bad, you know more than everyone in this game. Not to mention don't even put anything worth even talking about.

If u paid attention u got downvoted by 3 people so far. And none of them was me. I dont care to downvote u. Just because u claim that you and "some people u know" believe this is a problem doesnt mean anything.

Funkin Dunkin1 votes

Thank you for making my previous post accurate. First off, this post will always be downvoted because of trolls like you. Secondly, it's back closer to 0 now which means obviously some people are finding this to be relevant. Additionally I find it amusing that a euro scrub would be here in the NA server so I am lead to believe you must have lost your privileges there?

archerno11 votes

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Thank you for making my previous post accurate. First off, this post will always be downvoted because of trolls like you. Secondly, it's back closer to 0 now which means obviously some people are finding this to be relevant. Additionally I find it amusing that a euro scrub would be here in the NA server so I am lead to believe you must have lost your privileges there?

I use both forums

https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/off-topic-en/RteTR2Tg-arcade-event-daily-challenges-are-horrible?comment=00000001

This is my latest post on EU forum just so u can see i didnt "lose my privileges"

And what does "euro scrubs" means? I am scrub because i am from Europe? Even tho your ancestors are probably from Europe too?

Stay Close Dear1 votes

Your displayed rank doesn't mean anything, your mmr dictates who you re matched with and how much lp you gain or lose. When your mmr is lower than the required threshold for a rank you get demoted, in the same way you can be saved from demotion at 0 lp when your mmr is higher than expected. nothing is rigged or unfair. If you get matched with silvers as a gold that means your mmr is lower than expected or their is higher, sometimes you will be matched with eg. 2 silvers and a plat to even things out, etc. If you gain less lp than you lose you need to even out the mmr until its appropriate for your current rank - get a decent win streak or play enough with losing less games. Sometimes things can get messy and it's not 100% perfect but over time everything evens out. Recently I managed to recover from a huge mmr drop where i was losing up to 24 lp and earning only 11 (!!!!) The tier system is so much better than elo because it allows some "cheating" where everyone benefits - eg. you dont drop tiers immediately, you get free promo wins, its way easier to climb rather than having to grind a stale number.

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